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October 2015
#21
(10-07-2015, 10:35 PM)Horse Wrote: 10-08 11:15  Cam4 still has a steamy, hazy look while cam1 is clear sky.  Same as last night and I noticed the sparks had started up again.  The remote cranes have been still.  Some small crane activity.  Both cam4 and TBS/JNN are shaking in the winds, TBS shows big waves breaking in the port.

Saw this photo on fbook -- looks like the wind is generating a pretty decent surf

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#22
Wonder what sort of vibration factor there is for facilities on the site with heavy waves pounding.... negligible?
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#23
Great pic, LWH, the pounding surf would be scouring coastal sea beds and moving sediment. Strong tidal movement would carry more nuclear contaminants out to sea. The storms wash the air and clear the cam views, but what is the haze on cam4 then? Cam1 is clear, some sparking, a few more than last night. I've uploaded better spark graphs to the HorseCam albums. The graphs show accurate time delay and the spark times now. The spark counts seem to rise and fall as the unusual fogging events come and go.
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#24
10-9 21:45 Futabagun Site looks like porcupine quills. What's all the towers/cranes sticking up in the air. Site is very bright

10-9 21:45 Futabagun Site looks like porcupine quills. What's all the towers/cranes sticking up in the air. Site is very bright. I'll posting again. Not sure what happened to the other one.
 
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#25
(10-09-2015, 08:50 AM)kingswhippingboy Wrote: 10-9 21:45 Futabagun Site looks like porcupine quills. What's all the towers/cranes sticking up in the air. Site is very bright. I'll posting again. Not sure what happened to the other one.

   

kwb, I grabbed this with the snipping tool.  Didn't have to resize it, just saving as a jpeg made it small enough for an attachment.  I don't look at Futabagun as much, but it gives a good view of some of the emissions events.  The Futabagun and TBS/JNN panoramic views often provide the first signs of emissions and help pinpoint sources.
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#26
                At the 1.20 mark (5:30am) Colorful pastel morning, florecent pink clouds coming from R4 roof top, R1/R2 show pastel pink/green/blue on the front of the building cam4. The new "Flow Player" webcam feed has fewer pixels making it easier to blur out spot areas. I imagine so much time was spent before manually pixelating areas, this new video player has made it easier to manipulate the screen. Less clarity unfortunately for viewers now. The only good thing is it loads up fairly quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RV6mdZ92X8

2015.10.12_04.00-07.00.Unit4side

Below are pictures resized to 800 but it still cuts off a little of the right, will have to go smaller next time.

10-9-15 was a bright night on JNN, noticed cam4 was darker so I compared the two, believe tepco does reruns on cam4 or cam1 when JNN cam is bright.

(10-06-2015, 04:09 PM)piajensen Wrote: I just viewed pics here no problem via Torch and Safari. I'm always logged in elsewhere and as yet have had no issues when logged in or out regarding pics.  Pics come up fine for me always. Appears to be a problem on ipad with safari.

Have you checked your computer settings (security, firewalls, blockers... maybe set special to allow this website http://www.CafeRadLab.com ?) What browser are you using?

Hi Pia - I use Explorer and Google, both still don't show pics unless I'm logged in. That's okay, I'll just log in!
 
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#27
Sounds good (logging in). 700x seems to be a good size,

It appears to me that those pink clouds are actually in the atmosphere above and behind the unit. I think it is difficult to argue that the clouds are coming from the unit itself.

Anyone ever run across a sat image source to examine weather conditions at times when Fukushima appears to be "making weather"? Or, even the reports from JMA, their meteorological agency?
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#28
Hi Cali, Looks like you're getting the hang of posting your pics.  I see pink clouds too. Interesting, you point out Tepco switching to the flow player and we all notice that cam1 and cam4 look very different atmospherically.  Majia's Blog wonders if some new camera stunt has changed the views.  I've been going thru old time lapse of the early days and TEPCO has been limiting our view whenever they think we might see too much.  Many areas of interest aren't in the cam views we get now, like the common spent fuel pool.  Today, 10-13 17:00, cams 1 and 4 have both been down for a few hours, the ultimate censorship. Haven't seen much sparking over the weekend and the start of this work week.  They may fiddle with cam1 because that will be showing all the debris removal from r1 and when they stir things up we might see more pink in the sky or a few more sparks.
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#29
Since the direct feeds aren't connecting, I've tried recording the flow players from TEPCO's website.  Here's another reason not to upgrade to win 10.  

The Cam4 view is recorded with a win 10 laptop and was just saved as jpeg.  The Cam1 view is recorded with a win 7 desktop with a 1 GB video card.  Cam1 is resized 90 and saved as jpeg.

   

   
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#30
10-14 Spark fishing in the flow player feed found about 17/hr.  The sparks now last 2 frames on the recording of tepco's flow player.  Here's a frame of a nice double spark.  

   
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#31
(10-12-2015, 05:45 AM)piajensen Wrote: It appears to me that those pink clouds are actually in the atmosphere above and behind the unit. I think it is difficult to argue that the clouds are coming from the unit itself.

Pia, the pink is in the atmosphere, not a pink cloud erupting from the unit.  Put your pink sunglasses on and every cloud will look pink.  Smog puts a yellow/brown haze in the sky.  Forest fires cast orange/red sunsets.  Fukushima fog seems to cast a pink hue.  

TEPCO keeps trying to hide the emissions with camera angles and zoom, filters on the cams, and bright lights pointed at the cams.  Now the direct feeds have stopped and the only feed I know so far is the TEPCO Flow player, further limiting what we will be able to see and report.  That's my big vent today.

Many watchers won't have the equipment or skills to grab a picture, but many eyes reporting what they see paints a picture. My observation descriptions come from the imagination because I'm not always sure what I'm seeing or don't have the right wording.  I encourage watchers to report what they see here.  Analysis can come later in this network where many viewpoints can be considered.  I see a pink ELEphant in the cam views and it had sparks coming out of its trunk.
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#32
I was not suggesting there is no nexus, it was the description that I feel is complicated. if we want to understand the nexus between what is occurring on the ground and the atmosphere's apparent response, it's necessary to use language that describes these events more accurately. Not everyone will understand the connection if descriptions are not clear.

This requires a scientific approach. What meteorological reports for that period? Temp, clouds, rad data... I also encourage folks to post their observations, but we also need to be clear about what is being observed. Just being scientific. No offense intended.

"florecent pink clouds coming from R4 roof top" could be: clouds over R4 roof top appear florescent pink (versus historic record of clouds in the atmosphere or other clouds in the area).
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#33
Pia, yes, I try to be scientific but I'm not trained in this. I'd like a weather report posted, rad readings, work activities, solar activity, volcano and earthquake reports. What I saw at Enenews webcam forum included some of that hard data, but it was mostly the day to day norms and differences comments from people who are not scientists. I'm a techie, we hate paperwork, but I try to contribute what I can. The trained scientists are not spending their time here but some trained observers can still help collect data even if it is a little noisy.
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#34
I understand. My intention in this instant was to do a secondary analysis - none of us are experts. If we don't catch these little semantics issues that could cloud further analysis, we risk confusing the conditions. Just clarifying.
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#35
Pia, TY. I appreciate the guidance you've given me because I have very little formal training in presenting information to the scientific community. I like your analysis because it gives me an opportunity to better respond.
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#36
Okay. and, my original comment on cloud location was re: a CalifNative post. Appreciate you jumping in to debate semantics. If we strive for accuracy, there is greater chance that analysis will be correct. About the related meteorological info... not meant to suggest you or anyone do that research. We all have limits. Perhaps one day we'll have a meteorologist chime in.
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#37
Pia, it is an important point, striving for accuracy and clarity. The emissions coming off of the fuel melts are the real problem that isn't being covered up completely in the tepcams, but its the hardest to convey in simple terms. What will radioactive aerosols look like? Steam. Fog. Pixelation. Smoke. Tepco spends a lot of effort to keep the dust down. Last couple sunsets had a yellowish smog look in the air, is that different filtering on the new cam views, a pollution cloud from China, or some out of tune diesel working at Daiichi? The weather this evening is clear with a chance of sparks.

Think how powerful the enenews webcam forum would have been if that network of observers had gathered and organized their data. I think its important enough to try to continue the conversation here because I find so much disappearing from public view.
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#38
"Think how powerful the enenews webcam forum would have been if that network of observers had gathered and organized their data. I think its important enough to try to continue the conversation here because I find so much disappearing from public view"

very good points...
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#39
10-16  Recording TEPCO Cameras has its challenges.  The direct feeds have been turned off and the only access is thru TEPCO'S website with the flowplayer.  Windows 7 is not a problem because the browser lets me select the window in the page to record giving the full feed.  Windows 10 with the Edge browser will not let me select a window, only the region of the page where the video is.  Recording now with two Windows 7 computers to get best possible documentation.  

Cam1  http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index2-e.html

Cam4  http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html


Flowplayer issues:

Frame rate change?  Sparks last two frames now.  Direct feeds usually showed a spark in one frame, rarely in two.  Dim sparks seem to be missing in a small sampling.  

Califnative already mentioned less quality, agree.

It's all Japanese to me.  Is there a full screen mode?  Has anyone found other links?

@Cali, Was glad to see you getting pics up.  I had time to practice before going public.  You can edit your old posts to update or fix something.  I use Preview just about every edit to see what its going to look like.  Keep playing with it.  I edited this post just for you.

another edit update:
10-16 spark counts on cam1
start - 175550 = 1
180251 - 185949 = 17
190131 - 195444 = 11
200654 - 205548 = 9
210430 - 215840 = 9

Here's two grabs but how many sparks should I count these as?  

   

   
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#40
Pia, Cali, thanks for trying to keep this fledgling webcam forum alive.  I’ve been frustrated by the nuke industry’s thorough cleanup of the internet.  The changes tepco made to the camera feeds is another way they can control the information. The chatter from enenews webcam forum, has been quieted.  Many of the connections I made came from the routine observations they posted.  When I look back to compare year by year conditions, the enenews webcam forum has too many empty links to understand what they might have seen.  If I hadn’t seen these events myself I wouldn’t know what they were talking about.  With no documentation I can’t go back and research for things we didn’t know to look for.  Lucas, links to your old website don’t work, it would be great to see your collection again. Time lapse video is not a complete record, glossing over quick events, and with so much missing time. Majia’s Blog is an excellent resource documenting day by day with pictures as events unfolded.  She has documented the early hours of the day and I’ve used that as an example in trying to post an evening record.  Four and a half years of cooling has quieted the steaming nuclear fuel piles somewhat but we still have another hundred years to go.  They will try to pretend that nothing happened at Fukushima just like they did with Chernoybl; which should have been sufficient warning that nuclear power is just too costly in human suffering alone.  

10-17 Just happened to be recording tbs-jnn when I noticed the screen go dark, meaning that the lights on the reactor bldgs dimmed. I looked at the two tepco cams but they showed lights shining as usual.  





Majia noticed this on her website.  http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2015/10/c...-cams.html

10-18 Cam4 has mostly blue skies with a small tinge of pink below the rooflines.  Cam1 shows blue skies but the early bright sunlight had that slight pink tinge.  Low spark counts at night, clear blue sky in the morning.
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