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""We are fighting for our lives. But not only that, we are also fighting for our future children and grandchildren, for future generations, for every single living being on earth, whose biosphere we share, whose biosphere we are stealing, whose biosphere we are ruining."

—Greta Thunberg"

Let’s Make Friday the Biggest Day of Climate Action in Global History

What do Ben and Jerry’s, an 800,000-member South African trade union, countless college professors, a big chunk of Amazon’s Seattle workforce, and more high school students than you can imagine have in common? They’re all joining in a massive climate strike this coming Friday, September 20 — a strike that will likely register as the biggest day of climate action in the planet’s history.

More than this, what they have in common is something they share with much of the rest of humanity: a rapidly growing fear that global warming is out of control and that we must act with remarkable speed if we have any hope of getting our civilizations safely through the century. This growing realization is clear in many places: in the UK, for instance, where Extinction Rebellion began its massive civil disobedience, a campaign now spreading around the world. And in Washington, D.C., where the Sunrise Movement and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been building powerful support for a Green New Deal.

But the climate strikes, of course, had their genesis in high schools — or, more exactly, outside of high schools, which is where 16-year-old activist Greta Thunberg found herself last autumn. Why, she asked the Swedish authorities, should I spend all day in school preparing myself for the future when you aren’t preparing the country or the world for the future? That is a good question — so good that it quickly spread around the planet.
I’ve known school strikers on every continent with schools, and they should give everyone heart: Youth activists are awake and aware and working hard. As usual, those in the most vulnerable communities are leading the way. This is a movement in which Indigenous youth, kids from communities of color, and those who live on sinking islands are on the front line.

But these young activists are also asking for help. On May 23, at the end of the last massive school strike, Thunberg and 46 other youth activists released an open letter to The Guardian urging adults to join in next time. Because, as they pointed out, there are limits to what young people can do on their own. If you can’t vote, and if you don’t own stocks, then your ability to pull the main levers of power is limited. They wrote: “Sorry if this is inconvenient for you. But this is not a single-generation job. It’s humanity’s job.”
People around the world are responding to the call. The biggest demonstrations will probably be in New York City, because of the excitement surrounding Thunberg’s arrival by sailboat to address the UN General Assembly. But there will be rallies in all 50 states (a full list is at globalclimatestrike.net). Often, they’ll be led by students at local high schools and colleges, but in many cases, the emphasis is on adult participation — shop owners are closing their doors for the afternoon, and chefs shutting down restaurants to feed demonstrators.
A day in the streets can demonstrate to everyone that the zeitgeist is shifting, and decisively.

Can this worldwide strike galvanize us into significant climate action? By itself, surely not. No single thing is enough to make a decisive difference — not blocking pipelines or divesting portfolios or electing new senators. But a day in the streets can demonstrate to everyone that the zeitgeist is shifting, and decisively. It’s the zeitgeist that activists really play for: the sense of what is normal, natural, obvious. (Think of how gay marriage now seems conventional to many Americans, and then try to remember what it seemed like to much of the culture a decade ago).

We’re coming up on the 50th anniversary of the first Earth Day. In the spring of 1970, 20 million Americans — 10 percent of the country’s population — took to the street for that protest. It was almost certainly the largest day of political action in its history. And that was enough. The zeitgeist shifted decisively, and Richard Nixon, of all presidents, signed into law all the most important environmental laws, from the Clean Water Act to the Endangered Species Act. (Incidentally, these are all laws that Donald Trump is currently trying to gut.)

You can find the signs to indicate we might be on the cusp of a similar shift. The polling shows that Americans are far more concerned about climate change than even a year or two ago. Partly that’s because of good organizing, partly it’s because the planet continues to demonstrate our folly with fire and flood, and partly it’s because Donald Trump has bellowed his climate denialism so loudly that it’s begun to disconcert everyone who is not in his cult. Surveys show that he’s more out of touch with Americans on the environment than on any other issue. If and when Trump goes, climate denialism as a powerful political force may well go with him.

But even if we leave climate denial behind us, will we really start to move with the speed we must? The answer to that will lie in how many people truly demand action. We’ll start to find out what the numbers look like on September 20.

This story is part of Covering Climate Now, a global collaboration of more than 220 news outlets to strengthen coverage of the climate story.



There Is an Awakening Going On': Greta Thunberg Honored With Amnesty's Top Award Days Before Global Climate Strikes

"What I'm telling you to do now is to act. Because no one is too small to make a difference. I'm urging all of you to take part in the global climate strikes on September 20th and September 27th."

Extinction foretold.. Extinction ignored.. 
I wonder what action they want, as a result of the strikes?  Carbon tax?

we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
(09-17-2019, 06:49 PM)Code Wrote: I wonder what action they want, as a result of the strikes?  Carbon tax?


One of the different way's I see it , is also somewhere in your own post's and suggestions Code..i'm not gonne expand on it because now that would be a distraction..but lets practice mkay lol..critical mass..
Extinction foretold.. Extinction ignored.. 
"The Global Climate Strike" = "Earth Day"

That's as close as I can tell so far. Maybe the intense communication makes it different this time.
Maybe more humans see the results of the human touch now. Too many are unconscious from the comforts.
It was all supposed to change back then from the first earth day. As far as demands...

From the FAQ

What difference will it make?

These Climate Strikes won’t solve the climate crisis alone. What this moment can do is demonstrate that people are no longer willing to continue with business as usual. The urgency of the climate crisis requires a new approach and a just response centred on human rights, equity, and justice.
Greta Thunberg’s lone protest caught the world’s attention last year, and has spread to millions of school children who are sounding the alarm. Now it’s everyone’s turn to stand with young people and show world leaders the people power demanding climate justice. September’s climate strikes will kickstart a huge wave of action and renewed ambition all over the world.

What are you asking for?

The climate crisis is an emergency – we want everyone to start acting like it. We demand climate justice for everyone.
Our hotter planet is already hurting millions of people. If we don’t act now to transition fairly and swiftly away from fossil fuels to 100% renewable energy for all, the injustice of the climate crisis will only get worse.
We need to act right now to stop burning fossil fuels and ensure a rapid energy revolution with equity, reparations and climate justice at its heart.


Seems a rabbit hole. Don't get me wrong, it is good. But I am not so sure it will be effective this time either.

Watch how the establishment treats it all...
We always ask what have we done because we don't know what we are doing.

This is a better explaination of the demands of the US climate strike...



See, it's kinda murky being shunted all over trying to narrow down a "Global Climate Strike"

DUDe, are you still on the east side of the atlantic? I can imagine it is a far larger event in europe.
We always ask what have we done because we don't know what we are doing.

Whenever a 'Lone HERO'  waltzes straight to the U.N.  and Trump and is the headline of every news outlet, I get very suspicious.  How come CafeRadLab isnt front news..why arent we invited to the U.N.?     Money

The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg – for Consent: The Political Economy of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex

 Greta Thunberg, the current child prodigy and face of the youth movement to combat climate change, served as special youth advisor and trustee to the foundation established by “We Don’t Have Time”, a burgeoning mainstream tech start-up. 

 today’s youth are the sacrificial lambs for the ruling elite.   the leadership in the nascent We Don’t Have Time and the partnerships between the well established corporate environmental entities: Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, 350.org, Avaaz, Global Utmaning (Global Challenge), the World Bank, and the World Economic Forum (WEF).
 Al Gore and the Planet’s most powerful capitalists are behind today’s manufactured youth movements  Look at Thunberg’s celebrity mother, Malena Ernman (WWF Environmental Hero of the Year 2017), and her August 2018 book launch. the generous media attention afforded to Thunberg in both May and April of 2018 by SvD, one of Sweden’s largest newspapers.

the primary architect and authors of the “Green New Deal” are linked to the World Resources Institute.  the interlocking Business & Sustainable Development Commission, the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate, and the New Climate Economy – a project of the World Resources Institute.   this has culminated in the implementation of payments for ecosystem services (the financialization and privatization of nature, global in scale) which is “expected to be adopted during the fifteenth meeting in Beijing in 2020.”

  the very foundations which have financed the climate “movement” over the past decade are the same foundations now partnered with the Climate Finance Partnership looking to unlock 100 trillion dollars from pension funds.   ten years of strategic social engineering that have brought us to this very precipice.  look at the relationship between WWF, Stockholm Institute and World Resources Institute as key instruments in the creation of the financialization of nature.  l
With the smoke now cleared, the weak and essentially non-existent demands reminiscent of the 2009 TckTckTck “demands” can now be fully understood.
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
Greta Thunberg and George Monbiot have teamed up to create a film on the climate crisis

You mean THIS  George Monbiot?

Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power
George Monbiot

9-11 conspiracy theorists are morons
9/11 fantasists pose a mortal danger to popular oppositional campaigns
George Monbiot[/url]

Her New York trip, aboard the 18-meter Monaco-backed racing yacht «Malizia», will take approximately two weeks depending on weather conditions. The yacht is normally sponsored by German carmaker BMW as well as by Swiss private bank EFG Internationa

She was invited by renowned German skipper Boris Hermann and by Pierre Casiraghi, the son of Monaco's Princess Caroline. Casiraghi represented a new BMW roadster model the carmaker unveiled in May. Malizia, the yacht, was is owned by German property tycoon Gerhard Senft, who bought it from Swiss-French finance group Edmond de Rothschild.

Ingmar Rentzhog, an entrepreneur who claims he found and helped develop the Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg into a world phenomenon, also used her name to bring in almost SEK 10 million in venture capital for his company

Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine

Among the shareholders of the start-up, we find members of the two interconnected families: the Perssons, children of the billionaire Sven Olof Persson, who made their fortune in large part by selling cars (Bilbolaget Nord AB), and the Rentzhogs. The two families of investors, who met in the region of Jämtland, have no connections to environmentalism, they are specialists in finance.
Saving the planet by continuing to pursue economic growth and demanding more globalisation

we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
90% of the rain in Colorado has plastic fibers. Interestingly, the fibers are exactly the same as morgellons fibers.  They say they are in many colors, but the fact is they are pink and cyan blue.  Ive checked these fiber colors against the lint in the dryer and can state for sure these are not clothes fibers.   


How hard can it be to check what these fibers are made out of?  Scientific study of Morgellons finds they arent plastic
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
The 'view todays post' function is a little broken.  It jumbles up
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
U.S. to return about $100 million to the Treasury for an Afghanistan project due to lack of transparency
The climate issue is apparently not universally agreed upon.
A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields sign a letter to the U.N. stating There is no climate emergency.


my comment;  climate may be a real issue, but to focus on carbon and ignore the destruction of the biosphere is madness
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
Yep Code. And to ignore deforestation as the primary driver of drought is shortsighted.
A day short and a dollar late.
The Hague.....economic elitism, what a joke. Good for one thing,wiping ones arse. Carbon is real especially considering our oceans can no longer capture as much as they used to,unfortunately plastic doesn't take up that role, and yes deforestation. There is no 'may' about climate issues it's here and it's real...we have a climate and we have issues, period. The climate is part of our biosphere. True There are many many emissions far more serious than CO2 that also trap way more heat and are far more poisonous.

I went to a climate protest. The majority drove their vehicles there. Bought coffee at the local Starbucks. F?!?$$$ clowns. They don't have an inkling of what or why they are protesting... just doing it. What are they doing today? Apparently one plane trip is like driving a car for one year in comparison to emissions.
Sold up the river then bought the underwater bridge for sale. They don't get it and most won't. Nothing will change cause families want there freedom to move about however wherever whenever.... this type of mentality is not one to debate rationally or even give consideration to it.
I asked people what they where willing to give up for a safe climate..."EVERYTHING!" was the overwhelming response. So I said ok give me your car keys and cell phone and walk home. That didn't go over well. F$$K society and its dumb numb ares self. Ask me if I give crap. earthsmith.
CO2 is the poster child of the issue. It is the driver by sheer volume and has the most influence on heat trapped.
Can't sell pollution credits. Certainly no one is going to admit spreading radionuclides everywhere. And the water is safe for humans to dump into the sea.
So the fish are gone. Mm mm good. The rest are wallowing in a dying sea of human waste.
We eat more cows than can be raised naturally. Can't imagine how many short lived chickens have passed through the portals of KFC and others. We power grow our corn and all with synthetic chemicals to both promote growth and slay anything that moves on it's own. We suck every cubic centimeter of oxygen through our ICE machines. Up above us too. Nothing much has left the planet that we have erroneously created with our vast knowledge.

Quote:CO2 is not the only driver of climate

Theory, models and direct measurement confirm CO2 is currently the main driver of climate change.

Natural processes have determined Earth’s climatic history, but human industrial activities have introduced a new mechanism that is driving Earth’s climate future.

The industrial contribution of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere differs from its natural counterparts in fundamental ways.  This human influence is happening very rapidly, is not cyclical, and pushes the climate continually and relentlessly in the single direction of warming.

All of these influences, along with additional factors like land use changes, carbon soot and halocarbon emissions, and albedo variations, must be considered cumulatively to determine the net impact.

Over the last 30 years of direct satellite observation of the Earth’s climate, many natural influences including orbital variations, solar and volcanic activity, and oceanic conditions like El Nino (ENSO) and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) have either had no effect or promoted cooling conditions.

Despite these natural oppositions, global temperatures have steadily risen throughout that time.

While natural processes continue to introduce short term variability, the unremitting rise of CO2 from industrial activities has become the dominant factor in determining our planet’s climate now and in the years to come.


In our desire to label everything, a few words are left out. The creatures can't read the labels anyways.
I'd say it's looking like we are a bit too late. Learn to spot the tornadoes.
I'd say fogeddahboutit and go sit in the rain, but that's not very healthy anymore.

Scotty notices another rivet on the floor and kicks it away as he keys in more power...
We always ask what have we done because we don't know what we are doing.

The following about clouds isnt the final word on climate.   And neither are any of the papers to date that point to one thing or another.  They WRITE as if its the final word,  thats all.  

But I have an axiom;   If you disrupt the natural world, the natural world will be disrupted.  

How have we disrupted it?  In ten thousand ways.  We deforested it, we poisoned it, we depopulated the natural animals and overpopulated it with our animals kept for eating, and of course our own species.  We polluted the land air and oceans with all kinds of weird and toxic stuff.  The snow is not only blackened but it has highly radioactive pockets.  Even killing the whales.  whale feces could account for a part of climate...https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ate-change

A new research paper concludes that human activity can account for no more than a 0.01C rise in global temperatures, and goes so far as to “prove” low-level clouds “practically control the global temperature”.
The paper, entitled No Experimental Evidence for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change and published in Nature, is the work of a group Finnish scientists. It explains how the IPCC’s analysis of global temperatures suffers from at least one glaring error — namely, the failure to account for “influences of low cloud cover” on global temperatures.



Abstract. In this paper we will prove that GCM-models used in IPCC report AR5 fail to calculate the influences of the low cloud cover changes on the global temperature. That is why those models give a very small natural temperature change leaving a very large change for the contribution of the green house gases in the observed temperature. This is the reason why IPCC has to use a very large sensitivity to compensate a too small natural component. Further they have to leave out the strong negative feedback due to the clouds in order to magnify the sensitivity. In addition, this paper proves that the changes in the low cloud cover fraction practically control the global temperature. 

[Image: Chart-Low-Cloud-Cover-600.jpg?w=640&ssl=1]
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
(09-17-2019, 05:33 PM)DUDe Wrote: ""We are fighting for our lives. But not only that, we are also fighting for our future children and grandchildren, for future generations, for every single living being on earth, whose biosphere we share, whose biosphere we are stealing, whose biosphere we are ruining."

—Greta Thunberg"

Dude, I just had to share this with you.  Laura was the leading voice in revealing the nature of psychopathy to those that wanted to know how such people could walk among us.  Read the whole article for a peek into the Quantum Future.  

Greta Thunberg: False Prophet of the Children's Crusade
Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:39 UTC
Quote:I obtained a transcript of Thunberg's speech here and will now comment on it. Her words were given in answer to the question: "What is your message for world leaders?"
"My message is that we'll be watching you."
It doesn't help at all to watch anything if you do not know what you are looking for or how to identify it. Greta and her puppet masters do not; they have lived too long in their Post-modernist YCYOR world to have a clue about what is really going on and how they, themselves, have been manipulated. Greta continued:
"This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you!"
It's true, she should not be "up there". But she doesn't even stop to think about the fact that "nothing in politics happens by accident". She is simply a tool of those driving humanity into a state of chaos so that totalitarian controls will be accepted by the masses of humanity in order to gain peace.
"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!"
Yes, it is true that the manipulation masters of this world have "stolen dreams" from about everybody on the planet, just not exactly the way Greta thinks; what's worse, she doesn't realize that she is a tool to steal even more dreams from more people!
much more...  https://www.sott.net/article/420931-Gret...ns-Crusade
Comments are good too.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
Interesting time lapse map of arctic ice changes.   Pay attention to the graph too.   Somehow we were lead to believe its almost gone...or something.



But climate science is very mature now, and we are fighting for our lives....

  • Date: 15/07/19

Scientists have barely scratched the surface of the task of recognising and modelling natural cycles of climate change.

Eh...hold on, did they just say scientists have barely scratched the surface of recognising and modelling natural cycles of climate change?
Japanese scientists have measured the size of sand grains and the distance they travelled 780,000 years ago to add a new level of understanding to one of the questions that continues to baffle climate science: clouds.

The findings, published in Nature, point to big trends in natural variation of past and future climate that operate apart from greenhouse gas levels.

So its the cosmic rays is it?
oh NO!  Not only carbon...now we have to worry about tipping into a world without clouds.   These particular people dont seem to have asked about forests and plankton effects on clouds...

 When the planet got hot, it got really hot. Ancient warming episodes like the PETM were always far more extreme than theoretical models of the climate suggest they should have been. Even after accounting for differences in geography, ocean currents and vegetation during these past episodes, paleoclimatologists find that something big appears to be missing from their models — an X-factor whose wild swings leave no trace in the fossil record.

Evidence is mounting in favor of the answer that experts have long suspected but have only recently been capable of exploring in detail. “It’s quite clear at this point that the answer is clouds,” said Matt Huber, a paleoclimate modeler at Purdue University.



So they seem pretty sure about it....cars will make more Co2,  the clouds will vanish and everything will die except alligators in the arctic.

"Will clouds accelerate warming or help offset, or dull, warming? Right now, "The scientific community is uncertain about how the effects of clouds will change in the future," says Hugh Morrison, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo."

They are certainly certain, but in an uncertain kind of way.

"many of the very same characteristics that give clouds their mesmerizing mystique also make them vexing, perplexing and difficult for scientists to study."


At least we are certain that C02 is the main driver....or that cosmic rays are the main driver of climate and that doom is almost certain.

"Climate modelers have a distinct tendency to focus on a sensational minor topic while neglecting the major topics of climate. Clouds and cloudiness are the major factors in the Earth's climate. Clouds rule the Earth's climate. Everything else, including the atmospheric greenhouse gases, is marginal.

"Water vapor and clouds account for 66 to 85 percent of the greenhouse effect, compared to a range of 9 to 26 percent for CO2"

Im sure they didnt overlook the forests...its just too obvious right?

"Forests Emerge as a Major Overlooked Climate Factor

New work at the intersection of atmospheric science and ecology is finding that forests can influence rainfall and climate from across a continent.



Swann is now a professor at the University of Washington, where she runs the Ecoclimate lab. She is in the vanguard of a small but growing group of scientists studying how plants shape Earth’s weather and climate. Their results could shake up climate science. “None of the atmospheric scientists are thinking about” how plants could influence rainfall, Swann said, though hints had appeared in the scientific literature for decades. And, she added, “it blows the ecology community’s mind … that the plants over here could actually influence the plants over there.”

Youve got to be kidding.....scientists are really out of touch with the biosphere.   Its a comedy sketch

“Many of us are surprised at what a powerful role plants actually play,” said Park Williams, a bioclimatologist at Columbia University.

Right?  I mean who could possibly have imagined that cutting down half the worlds forests could possibly affect the clouds and that clouds could affect climate?   

 Early meteorologists, hoping to save their young field’s credibility, rejected the notion that forests influence weather. “Much of the discussion of it, unfortunately, has not been of a purely scientific character,”

The new revelations of the power of forests causes "a profound reversal of what we would usually consider cause and effect. Normally we might assume that “the forests are there because it’s wet, rather than that it’s wet because there are forests,” said Douglas Sheil, an environmental scientist at the Norwegian University of Life Sciences campus outside Oslo. But maybe that’s all backward. “Could [wet climates] be caused by the forests?” he asked.


Ok then, at least we can be sure we are firmly at the stage of wondering about cause and effect.  So thats something...
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
Quote:07-16-2019, 06:09 AM  (This post was last modified: 07-16-2019, 07:11 AM by Code.)  

Greetings fellow die-hards.  Fukushima is 'old news'....like the world trade center demolitions, the impact is fading into the mists of time.  People are mainly interested in Taylor Swift and the World Cup.   Take heart though,  Alexa rates CafeRadLab at #13,077,339 in website popularity.  


9-26-2019   https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/caferadlab.com
This site ranks:
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Code, take heart, Alexa says we've improved in website popularity.  

It's been about 10 years since scientists made the connection between increased galactic cosmic rays and increases in cloud cover.  The Grand Solar Minimum has reduced the strength of the electric-magnetic fields of Earth and more cosmic rays enter to form more clouds.  We've also mentioned how radionuclides enhance fog formation.  The natural variations will be enhanced by the enormous man-made radio-Krypton and Xenon releases by the nuke industry.  

The hydrocarbon emissions are much worse than we've been told.  I read that one trans-oceanic cargo ship spews more hydrocarbons in one trip than all the cars in the world running for a year.  There are thousands of ships burning dirty diesel fuel polluting the air at sea that eventually blows over land.  

The Global Warming hype has distracted from the real problem of man-made Global Pollution.
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Yes, it was clever to use a clean ip/email to get in and post toxic links. The flurry of registrations lately keeps me up later than usual. That's another that got my challenge question. I was glad when earthsmith figured it out but I knew other's could too. I let vani look around. The old calendar had been left at default, wide open post anything settings and was being used for file sharing. The old calendar is gone. My backups are working much better now. The new calendar is restricted and we weren't using it anyway. I just thought they might like to know.
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