• Thank you for visiting the Cafe Rad Lab Forum
  • We present & discuss radiation health, science & news
  • To keep you informed about vital nuke information.
Hello There, Guest! Login Register


Thread Rating:
  • 2 Vote(s) - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
WEBCAM December 2015
#41
Chasaha - black bird pics during the bug swarm. When I first saw it I thought it was burning ashes/debris coming up from R1, panicked a little at the time but I think we can agree it's bugs. Code on enenews had some doubts, he's not a webcam watcher and doesn't realize Flowplayer makes object smaller in size but his feedback is always appreciated. I remember another bug swarm in July 2015, here is a much better view of them BEFORE Flowplayer reduced the pixels.
   
What's more important is WHY DID TEPCO REMOVE THE BUGS?
(or was it debris if they went to the extent of removing the black specs from 8:00am to 10:00am on the video)
   
Black birds flying around the next day
   
Bird close to the webcam
   
 
Reply
#42
(12-18-2015, 07:23 PM)califnative Wrote: Black birds flying around the next day

Bird close to the webcam

I love those bird pics, they are incredible, wish TEPCO gave us better quality, I'd frame one.
"All models are flawed, some are useful."
George E. P. Box
 
Reply
#43
Quote:What's more important is WHY DID TEPCO REMOVE THE BUGS?

The bugs don't show up in the 60x time-lapse. They might show up in something slower like the fuku1long time-lapse. Normal speed recordings show the quick events the others miss.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#44
Hmm, I understand what your saying but I really think tepco pixelated them out. Here is one they missed and the 2nd pic shows square pixels through out the sky. The arrows show where the square pixel overlaps on the crane.
   
    Probably can't see it here, it's too small

Anyway, tepco sucks.
 
Reply
#45
(12-19-2015, 02:30 AM)califnative Wrote: Hmm, I understand what your saying but I really think tepco pixelated them out. Here is one they missed and the 2nd pic shows square pixels through out the sky. The arrows show where the square pixel overlaps on the crane.

Probably can't see it here, it's too small

Anyway, tepco sucks.

Hi Cali, many people have complained about TEPCO pixelating the cam feeds so others notice it too. The low resolution of the cams conceals detail; we're using hi-def equipment to look at low res feeds.  It's like looking at a comic strip with a magnifying lens, I see bigger dots.  The easiest way for tepco to conceal detail would be to drop the resolution, eg. dropping from 1024x768 to 800x600.  A small block of pixels becomes a larger block, a small speck disappears into blur.  I think that's what they've been doing because I've noticed sometimes detail is there and sometimes not.  You might try to capture that with zoom; compare the size of a clear sharp day block of pixels with a blurry day block of pixels.  I don't know what cameras tepco is using or the megapixel rating of the equipment. The amount of light available also affects the camera performance; bright light resolves into detail, low light blurs into noise.  I just think that tepco doesn't have to manually pixelate anything when they can blur out detail with lower resolutions or just turn them off if they don't want us to see and yes, tepco sucks very badly giving us crap cams zoomed into rooflines.  The insects and birds show us the limits of the equipment we're using. Make the most out of the camera views we have; the flowplayer removed the small sparks but the big ones are still there, find the anomalies in the time lapses and we can look in normal speed recordings to analyze them.  

You know I don't trust the timelapse vids and don't usually spend much time looking at them but I respect the work you've done finding events and anomalies in them.  At 60x speed I see one second out of a minute.  An event lasting two minutes might show as a two second blur.  The Fuku1Long timelapse was more useful, only 2x, one hour plays in 30 minutes.  I can find sparks at that rate and have been going thru the early days doing spark counts.  I was told once that the cams are manipulated, time-looped, and not worth watching so why bother.  I don't think that's the case though, I watched in real time but could never hit record or grab a capture quick enough to prove anything.  There just wasn't much new to see and no way to look again at what just happened without normal speed recordings to refer to, now I can find the lightening hiding in storms and the sparks blinking in time to the emissions.  The biggest surprise lately was finding that pink splotch, a two minute event that wasn't in the timelapse vids.  The flashes in r1, you found two in the time lapse out of 30 some flashes.  If you suspect time-looping, let's count the sparks and see if they match up for proof positive.  The sparks were there from day 1 but few mentioned them and they were mostly ignored.  TEPCO doesn't have to do much because they've already limited what we can see and we don't always know what to look for.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#46
Horse said: I was told once that the cams are manipulated, time-looped, and not worth watching so why bother.

Yeah, cams are always being manipulated, pixels distort, hide, I sometimes think why bother watching too. Thanks for your detailed feedback, I watch at normal speed and reduce it to 0.25 if I see something. That was quite a spark you caught earlier, the sparks seem to be breaking up into pieces more often, wonder why. Did you see post #40? Now that was a blatant spark removal!

Good website, current articles on Fuku - http://www.scoop.it/t/fukushima-by-ton-kraanen
 
Reply
#47
(12-18-2015, 05:07 PM)califnative Wrote: Hi Horse - nice spark, must be a pretty bad-ass because when I looked for it on FD 3min vid IT WAS GONE. I wonder if tepco is filtering out the color of the sparks, I could be wrong because there are white sparks but the one below looks grey with no hue around it. If you recorded 21.35.44pm did it have color? Just curious, the reason I looked for yours (21.35.36) is because I wanted to enlarge it Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUIqVXF6Vs0 vid of missing spark at the 0:35 mark
21.35.36 spark gone

21.35.44 double grey spark

Blue/Purple Spark 17.08.22pm on 12-16-15

BIG BLUE Spark 12-15-15

Cali, I did miss this post.  12-16 21.36.44, the white double, was just white.  Mostly see just the bright colored ones now and the doubles; that night had several bright orange-red ones. I save the spark grabs as a 2 Meg bmp file for the best quality.  Only get 500K attachments; saving as png doesn't reduce it enough so I save them as jpg, not as good a quality but it brings the size down well under the 500k.  For zooming we should try to get the better quality, but not sure how, maybe dropbox.  When I upload to photobucket they convert the files and they aren't the same quality as the original bmp file.  

The spark count spike made me curious what was going on at the south end but cam4 was down.  I was watching tbs-jnn looking for smoke or steam, but I really wanted to see if cam4 was sparking.

   

Quote:Horse, I can’t keep up with all the sparks lately! You must be keeping very busy with all the high counts. There are more double sparks and even chips or sparks that are breaking up in pieces (something new?). Majority are coming from R1 that is for sure, and shooting from R3 on cam1. I’m fascinated with color intensity when enlarged on the comparison pics.

If I see 3 or 4 blinking on in ten minutes time, I'll take a look and see if its worth counting, especially now that all the little white sparks don't show any more.  The count rate may have gone down with the new flowplayer so I consider a count of 16 bright, colorful sparks with doubles or combos popping up to be a significant radiologic indication.  

   

Quote:Wanted to mention a subtle anomaly that is impossible to capture in a screen grab.  During webcam watching I’ll see a faint RAY OF LIGHT flash for a split second, like when you see a flashlight in the distance. It comes from R3 and R1 on webcam1. Not sure I’m really seeing it but wanted to mention it anyway. 

Watch for those faint light plays when there's low hanging clouds.  Found a split second brightening of light once, thought it might be beta shine.  When I see the red tinge flicker a split second I'm guessing it's lightening in the distance.  I notice light anomalies stepping frame by frame that I can't show in a screen grab or a movie clip, so I second your mention and wonder what it was.  

Quote:In my opinion, the FD plant is insanely more active, R1 roof top exposed with more sparks, R4 extension light room is hot as ever with a new vent showing on the roof which seems to be the source of the additional condensed fog cloud on the left of R4 on cam1. The heavy blue/purple vapors and oily spots popping during the filtered fireworks between R2 and R4 horizon which in my opinion is tepco’s most opportune time to burn debris in the dark of night.

All that cleanup must be stirring up that radioactive dust; moving all that radioactive waste, reducing it, moving it somewhere else, making sparks on the cameras at night.  They think they can hide it better but it still looks like three cores escaped confinement and all the sfp's had their 'overheating' issues.  Bad as you say, so let's pop the roof off r2 and see how many sparks fly.  The crane cover going over r3 should be a good show, really admire the work those crane workers are doing. The workers at the plant trying to fix the mess are making the sacrifices working in that hell hole that can't be fixed.  Radioactivity increasing in the water, dump it in reactor basements.  
More lipstick, the boss says this pig must be ready to show for the Olympics.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#48
Purple pink morning cam1 6:05am 12-12-15
   
JNN cam was heavily vaporized, bright yellow light behind R3 pit area.
   
Recording and at 6:33am suddenly saw a bright white flame with purple/blue/pink/red bottom corner CSFP cam4.
Have never seen this before, stayed lit for about 4 minutes until tepco saw it and smothered the flame from view.
   
   
 
Reply
#49
(12-21-2015, 06:37 PM)califnative Wrote: Recording and at 6:33am suddenly saw a bright white flame with purple/blue/pink/red bottom corner CSFP cam4.
Have never seen this before, stayed lit for about 4 minutes until tepco saw it and smothered the flame from view.


Flames near the CSFP.  4 minutes.   Yikes!

Think about what we don't see.   Dodgy
 
Reply
#50
ominous. that flame reminds me of flames seen in the past at unit 4.
Pia
just pm me if needed.
 
Reply
#51
Chasaha - thanks for posting this on enenews Smile  I'll go back and post the video link. 

Here’s the FB 3min vid link showing 4 minute white flame starting at the 0:29 mark/6:31am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg5tithx68s 
Can also see the tip of the crane is lit and active behind R3 on cam4 early morning before daylight. R3 seems to be shooting more large blue sparks visible from cam1 more often these days. R1’s open roof top has consistent sparks and Common Spent Fuel Pool (CSFP) showed the 4 minute white hot flame 6:31am 12-22-15.
http://postimg.org/image/v7at1pwct/ white Flame enlarged
   
http://postimg.org/image/d51ui01jt/ 18:46pm 12-22-15 another big blue spark from R3 enlarged
   
 
Reply
#52
Video 
Currently observing a bright light glow above R3 from Cam 4 position.    It sort of looks like a giant light sabre.    Mostly florescent bright white, but does color change a bit.   23:57 2015/12/22 jst  

A light reflecting off of a crane maybe?

Unable to capture a screen shot at this time.  I haven't figured out the new flow cam.    I can't believe the resolution actually seems worse.

How do I get the webcams to go Full Screen?
 
Reply
#53
(12-22-2015, 11:02 AM)Chasaha Wrote: Currently observing a bright light glow above R3 from Cam 4 position.    It sort of looks like a giant light sabre.    Mostly florescent bright white, but does color change a bit.   23:57 2015/12/22 jst  

A light reflecting off of a crane maybe?

Unable to capture a screen shot at this time.  I haven't figured out the new flow cam.    I can't believe the resolution actually seems worse.

How do I get the webcams to go Full Screen?

@ Chasaha, single click to stop and start, double click on flowplayer for full screen.  

Great captures being posted.  That flame coming out of the end of the pipe was something new.  Had dark gray wisps of smoke rising from it. Want to look at that again, some catching up to do.  

12-22 23:51:17 combo spark

   
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#54
(12-22-2015, 11:02 AM)Chasaha Wrote: Currently observing a bright light glow above R3 from Cam 4 position.    It sort of looks like a giant light sabre.    Mostly florescent bright white, but does color change a bit.   23:57 2015/12/22 jst  

Unable to capture a screen shot at this time.  I haven't figured out the new flow cam.    I can't believe the resolution actually seems worse. How do I get the webcams to go Full Screen?

Chasaha - I think your looking at this new florescent light inside the R4 extension bldg. that showed up about 4-5 days ago. Horse mentioned it earlier but can only guest it's additional lighting inside the building, they have been working in that hot spot more often these days.

I captured your time stamp from  the FD 3min vid and also highlighted in yellow the areas that show where you can enlarge the webcam on your computer screen if your using Windows 8. There are various ways to enlarge/zoom if you know where to look for those features. Also, I use Windows 8 "Snipping Tool" application for screen grabs and pinned it to my taskbar.
   

 
Reply
#55


"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#56
(12-22-2015, 12:05 PM)Horse Wrote: [quote pid='972' dateline='1450796536']
Wow Horse, that looks like the first double spark with red in it! R3/R4 extension bldg. energy is releasing nuclear storm. I went to look for it on the FD 3min vid and it was removed (again), this goes to show how important your own recordings are, the quality is better too.  Can't wait to see your pics of the white flame Smile   Thanks!

[/quote]
 
Reply
#57
Thought I'd post this again showing color range to energy frequency. I think we're seeing more red sparks, this one might of come from the CSFP but I'm not sure, never seen a spark in this area before.
http://postimg.org/image/42zgsjrpf/
   

Red/Orange Spark 4:13:03am 12-23-15
So does that mean the energy level is higher surrounding the spark (indigo/violet) and the core is lower (red/orange)?
   

Wikimapaia - Map of FD plant and building identification
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=37.421...9&z=16&m=b

Notice the color WHITE is a combination for all colors making it the hottest energy frequency. The WHITE FLAME event 12-22-15 is a good example.
   
 
Reply
#58
Cali, nice orange spark you found on cam4. I think you're right about the spark color relating to the energy level of the energetic particle hitting the camera sensor. The cams are sited some distance from the sources; I think the radioactive Fuku fog carries the energetic particles to the camera sensors. Have you noticed the blue splotches in the emissions when the sparks are flying?

12-23 09:40 Noticed the remote crane has the radiation sensor package hanging over the area where the flame shot out of the csfp. Just checking, no problem, it's always safe, get back to work. Very unusual crane activity over that area today.

17:15 I'm guessing that TEPCO dropped the big cranes to the ground early this afternoon for the holidays.
17:25 c1 spark bluish, 17:40, 17:49 big one maybe a combo, 18:01, 18:07

20:41 c1 bright blue spark, 20:53 bright orange, 21:06. Sparks aren't coming as often as when they turned cam4 off the other day.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
Reply
#59
Star 
(12-22-2015, 09:52 PM)Horse Wrote: Cali, nice orange spark you found on cam4.

 I think you're right about the spark color relating to the energy level of the energetic particle hitting the camera sensor.   The cams are sited some distance from the sources; I think the radioactive Fuku fog carries the energetic particles to the camera sensors.  Have you noticed the blue splotches in the emissions  when the sparks are flying?  


Orange spark is cool.  I agree the color chart is an indicator.    

Clarification: 
So are you saying that the sparks could be in the camera's  sensors, as opposed to 'literal' flying through the air ionized particles?

Has a spark event ever been captured on both cams at the same time that we know of?   I am guessing not.   But, I don't know for sure.

Huh   Wondering   Smile
 
Reply
#60
I'm not following this "radioactive Fuku fog carries the energetic particles to the camera sensors" what does that mean? why? how?
Pia
just pm me if needed.
 
Reply
  


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  WEBCAM December 2017 Horse 11 6,274 01-01-2018, 08:14 AM
Last Post: Felibi
  WEBCAM December 2016 Horse 55 45,132 01-01-2017, 09:31 AM
Last Post: Horse
  WEBCAM November 2015 Horse 60 93,113 12-11-2015, 07:07 AM
Last Post: missFrill

Forum Jump:


Browsing: 1 Guest(s)