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Quantum Pendant Scalar Technology
#1
Someone provided a Quantum Pendent to test, it uses Quantum Scalar Technology. Smile
 
What is a Quantum Pendant you ask?
 
It is a wearable pendant around 5cm in diameter, made from  specialized Japanese lava based compound and plant extracts like Hemp protein. Claims are that it protects the wearer from EMF radiation emitted by Wifi devices, cell phones, power lines etc., and has positive benefits for your health.
 
The Youtube video below, indicates there are fake versions of Quantum Pendants being sold.
 



 
There are a large number of different styles of Quantum Pendants being sold on the Internet, much more than referenced in this video. There is a lot of debate on the Internet over which versions are actually the fake version of the Quantum Pendant. We have no idea which product is the official version. Ebay prices varied wildly from hundreds of dollars to a couple dollars.
 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=quantum+pendant
 
Below are the Pancake Geiger counter and Scintillator test results of the pendant that was provided for testing. Yes, you are supposed to wear this pendant to get the energy benefits! It turns out for some strange reason, that the person who provided it for testing doesn't want it back, and said I could have it!
 
The Pancake Geiger result minus background was 2170 Counts Per Minute (CPM), or around eighteen times the local background here.

                                                                        (Note: This test is a log chart.)
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The scintillator Gamma radiation test result minus test chamber background was 230 Counts Per Second (CPS). The test chart shows the decay daughters of Thorium-232. This pendant does make an excellent peak calibration test source for the scintillator test equipment here.
 
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In my opinion the one provided for testing was significantly radioactive!  I can only say that the one provided for testing had radioactive material in it. Are other Quantum Pendants this radioactive? I have no idea, you would need to have them tested to find out.
 
Here is what the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA), has to say about these pendants.
 
https://www.arpansa.gov.au/understanding...s/pendants
 
Anti-Proton tested one in 13 January 2013 and detected Uranium and Thorium decay daughters.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZxX3ZWY4nw
 
By the way, I definitely will not be wearing this pendant!
 
It has been put to good use. It is stored in a lead lined container and used for radioactive peak calibration of scintillator test equipment here.

 
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I trust you will safely store that 'gift' in lead forever. Some kinda creep that sent that to you. I wonder how international and local postal authorities feel about radiation being sent so freely.
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I've seen many different pendants claiming to be protective of RF being offered at new age trade shows.  They often give free samples.  I never took the claims seriously because RF would just travel around them, you'd need to surround yourself with those things to block RF like a faraday cage protects electronics inside.  Had no idea some of these pedants are radioactive.  Glad I avoided them.  I searched online if thorium is electro-conductive but I couldn't find anything conclusive other than it can be used as a radiation shield.  Thorium is used in gas lantern mantles and considered safe enough for that commercial use.  Thorium has been used as an additive in filaments (as ThO 2 ) of magnetron tubes.  Natural thorium may also contain some uranium.  Both uranium and radium are electrical conductors.  Something else I found interesting was uranium is a semi-conductor material and in fact may be used as electronic devices get smaller; uranium might replace silicon and gallium/arsenic semiconductors.  Uranium could also be used to make more efficient solar panels.  
See:  
SEMICONDUCTIVE PROPERTIES OF URANIUM OXIDES
Thomas Meek
http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/pdf/wm01semicond.pdf
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Wait... Horse... are you suggesting that increasing the use of uranium and thorium consumer products is acceptable?
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(08-19-2018, 05:08 PM)piajensen Wrote: Wait... Horse... are you suggesting that increasing the use of uranium and thorium consumer products is acceptable?
I know that radioactive materials have been used in commercial products and applications.  I think the pendants should not be sold at all.  They are not blocking RF energy in any practical way but I thought them harmless decorations sold to an ignorant public.  I was grateful that Vital1 tested them and posted the warning.  Radioactive tubes were replaced by better silicon devices.  Tritium exit lamps should be replaced with LEDs.  It's amazing how much radioactive material has crept into our lives.  I actually got sidetracked stumbling on the semiconductor properties of uranium pdf.

Code - I've experimented with simple copper hoops around plants with some surprisingly good results.  The wire had to be conductive, thus copper.  The diameter seemed to matter, had something to do with tuning to specific electromagnetic frequencies.  I think I had been reading about orgone energy or some such.  More interested in how certain low level radiation may be affecting the body's electrical field.  Different elements have differing electrical properties.  Some elements, though very active may have beneficial effects (K-40) while other elements have shown destructive effects.  Semiconductors are non-linear devices using a small change in potential to produce a large change in current, amplifying a signal.  "Semiconductors, such as silicon, are somewhere in between a conductor and an insulator. Some electrons in the semi-conductor are allowed to flow, especially when released by heat or light"  I didn't know that uranium was a semiconductor and was more efficient than silicon.
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(08-19-2018, 03:07 PM)Horse Wrote: Thorium is used in gas lantern mantles and considered safe enough for that commercial use.  Thorium has been used as an additive in filaments (as ThO 2 ) of magnetron tubes.  Natural thorium may also contain some uranium.  Both uranium and radium are electrical conductors.  Something else I found interesting was uranium is a semi-conductor material and in fact may be used as electronic devices get smaller; uranium might replace silicon and gallium/arsenic semiconductors.  Uranium could also be used to make more efficient solar panels.  
See:  
SEMICONDUCTIVE PROPERTIES OF URANIUM OXIDES
Thomas Meek
http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/pdf/wm01semicond.pdf

November/December 2008 - The Hidden Radioactive Danger of Mantle Lamps

Extracts:

Users of mantle lamps should especially avoid breathing in the particulate ash or getting any ash in their food. ("Thorium ash is very bad to inhale," Walter says, "as it simply sits in the lungs for months to years, and when it eventually gets into the blood, it goes directly to the bone, where—again—it stays for years.")

It's impossible, of course, to avoid some exposure while changing the mantles . . . however, since that procedure normally requires only a few minutes, the total risk is small (less than one chance in a million of a resulting cancer). By contrast, leaving a mantle in a pocket for hours at a time increases the risk of cancer considerably (up to one chance in 10,000).


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Read the whole article it is very enlightening. Most people have no idea of the risks, or the law suite.

Wikipedia Extract:

Safety concerns were the subject of a federal suit against the Coleman Company (Wagner v. Coleman), which initially agreed to place warning labels on the mantles for this concern, and subsequently switched to using yttrium.

Article:

https://www.motherearthnews.com/natural-...az82ndzgoe
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(08-19-2018, 12:37 PM)piajensen Wrote: I trust you will safely store that 'gift' in lead forever. Some kinda creep that sent that to you. I wonder how international and local postal authorities feel about radiation being sent so freely.

"Some kinda creep that sent that to you."

Nothing malicious intended by the person who provided the Quantum Pendant for testing. I have a microwave meter plus Ionizing test equipment, people in the local community know this and occasionally provides items for testing out of curiosity.

I have tested a number of microwave radiation protection devices for Mobile Phones, Tablets, etc., over the years and none have reduced the overall radiation exposure to the user. I think this person had originally had brought this pendent to me to test it's microwave protection properties. I just happened to test it with the Pancake Geiger first.


This free guide has suggestions on page two on how to lower your family's Microwave Radiation exposure. Take the time to go through the short education videos that are provided in the guide.


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(08-19-2018, 08:53 PM)Code Wrote: Vital1,  if you have the chance, please measure some potassium chloride.  Inexpensive and widely available.

Its interesting the pendant was made from Japanese lava.  If it was collected after the fukushima disaster it could contain hot particles

Here is a 2012 test of 430 grams of potassium-40 (K40). I was using an older version of PRA software back then.

PRA - http://www.gammaspectacular.com/marek/pra/index.html


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Industry puts radioactive material in products with very little consumer notice. Thorium isn't as safe as they want us to believe. Thorium has a cult following trying to exploit the thorium-uranium fuel chain and testing reactors. https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information...orium.aspx
OK, maybe the thorium gas lantern mantles weren't such a good idea, the yytrium replacements are not much better. I don't think they can use radioactive materials without polluting some spot on earth and spreading contaminants to other parts.
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Code, I would still not rely on that pendant, it is the wrong element in the wrong place.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5511359/
Quote:The response of cells to radiation levels between this level and SB could indicate whether the transition to a stressed cell state at LB is a binary switching effect, or whether it happens gradually, both of which could shine light upon the underlying biological mechanism by which populations respond to their radiation environment.

Sorry it took me awhile to read the paper and I can't say I understand all of the technical jargon.  Life doesn't do well in the absence of background radiation.  I know we have this discussion crossing different threads too and you or Pia may shoot me for screwing up the threads but the above quote stood out.  Underlying biological mechanism could be referring to the bio-electric field of our body. Most biologic processes seem to be an on-off or diode action yet here was mention of gradual effects or transistor action.  Normal cells exhibit this diode action, on is working, off is cell death but cancerous cells don't simply shut off like they should, they go into an amplified state of growth, a transistor action.  Alt science has explored the body's bio-electric field making up a lot of new words in the process, mainstream science pretty much ignores biologic electrical charges and concentrates on chemical processes.  I thought you might be on to something with K-40 providing the energy for a cell's electrical activity.  

Quote:The electrical charge of the potassium ion becomes +1 after losing an electron. A potassium atom has a charge of zero so when it loses one electron, which has a negative charge, the potassium ion will have a +1 charge. If this electron is transferred back to the potassium ion, it will return to a charge of zero.

Read more on Brainly.com - https://brainly.com/question/1807539#readmore

A trickle charge of electrons to power life.  A simple diode action, conducting or not conducting electron flow.  Radioactive material shows a transistor effect, non-linear amplification.  

Nanomaterial turns radiation directly into electricity
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...ectricity/
Quote:Tests of layered tiles of carbon nanotubes packed with gold and surrounded by lithium hydride are under way. Radioactive particles that slam into the gold push out a shower of high-energy electrons. They pass through carbon nanotubes and pass into the lithium hydride from where they move into electrodes, allowing current to flow.

“You load the material with nuclear energy and unload an electric current,” says Popa-Simil.

Too much current fries electronics and they don't operate without some current.  

I think we're batteries.  I can measure millivolt's across my two hands.  A body of electrical activity, that beats my heart to a certain rhythm, and fires off synaptic activity in my brain.  

DNA is thought to be just a chemical factory, creating proteins according to a blueprint.  Bust a strand and repairs are attempted.  I think it does a lot more than that but I'll wait for science to try and explain it to me.  A radioactive particle that slams into DNA can break a strand or double strand but the real damage is done by the release of high-energy electrons.  DNA accesses an information field that gets disrupted by high-energy electrons.  Ionizing radiation carries enough energy to free electrons from atoms or molecules and disrupts electric circuits.  

Some people advocate 'grounding' to restore equilibrium.  Make physical contact with earth ground. I like to garden for that and the greenery helps restore me too.
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Code -

Quantum tunneling sounds like something to be applied in the transference of atoms, in holography.

Accurate measurement of laser intensity using photoelectron interference in strong-field tunneling ionization

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30119322

Abstract

Accurate determination of laser intensity is of fundamental importance to study various phenomena in intense laser-atom/molecule interactions. We theoretically demonstrate a scheme to measure laser intensity by examining the holographic structure originating from the interference between the direct and near-forward rescattering electrons in strong-field tunneling ionization. By adding a weak second-harmonic field with polarization orthogonal to the strong fundamental driving field, the interference pattern oscillates with the changing relative phases of the two-color fields. Interestingly, the amplitude of this oscillation in the photoelectron momentum spectrum depends on the parallel momentum. With the quantum-orbit analysis, we show that the amplitude of the oscillation minimizes when the time difference between the recollision and ionization of near-forward rescattering electron is half cycle of the fundamental driving field. This enables us to measure accurately the laser intensity by seeking the minimum of the oscillation amplitude. Moreover, we show that this minimum can be determined without scanning the relative phases, instead, by just monitoring the interference patterns for two relative phases. This facilitates the application of our scheme in experiment.


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I'm not seeing the application of quantum tunneling in discussions of the effects of man-made nuclear radiation upon carbon life forms (potential effects of vital1's radioactive pendant).

If we are discussing the potential for moving atoms from one location to another, then I see the point. But, certainly, that's not something that large populations ought be subjected to - that's a very specific scientific research study - not about human health.

And then, there's this:

May 2015: Physicists solve quantum tunneling mystery https://phys.org/news/2015-05-physicists...stery.html

Extract:

Quantum tunneling plays a role in a number of phenomena, such as nuclear fusion in the sun, scanning tunneling microscopy, and flash memory for computers. However, the leakage of particles also limits the miniaturisation of electronic components.

Professor Kheifets and Dr. Igor Ivanov, from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering, are members of a team which studied ultrafast experiments at the attosecond scale (10-18 seconds), a field that has developed in the last 15 years.

Until their work, a number of attosecond phenomena could not be adequately explained, such as the time delay when a photon ionised an atom.

"At that timescale the time an electron takes to quantum tunnel out of an atom was thought to be significant. But the mathematics says the time during tunneling is imaginary - a complex number - which we realised meant it must be an instantaneous process," said Professor Kheifets.

"A very interesting paradox arises, because electron velocity during tunneling may become greater than the speed of light. However, this does not contradict the special theory of relativity, as the tunneling velocity is also imaginary" said Dr Ivanov, who recently took up a position at the Center for Relativistic Laser Science in Korea.

The team's calculations, which were made using the Raijin supercomputer, revealed that the delay in photoionisation originates not from quantum tunneling but from the electric field of the nucleus attracting the escaping electron.
The results give an accurate calibration for future attosecond-scale research, said Professor Kheifets.

"It's a good reference point for future experiments, such as studying proteins unfolding, or speeding up electrons in microchips," he said.

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And this:

Physicists leverage quantum tunneling to collect energy from Earth’s heat  https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/physic...arths-heat

Excerpt:

Instead of dealing with it as it is, researchers at KAUST decided to treat IR radiation as electromagnetic waves. Lead researcher Atif Shamim said that "There is no commercial diode in the world that can operate at such high frequency." To make this breakthrough, they turned to quantum tunneling. This is a weird phenomenon in quantum mechanics where a particle can move through a solid barrier, one that it doesn’t have the energy to surmount.

Say a ball comes at a wall. This ball is a particle and the wall, a barrier it meets. The ball doesn’t have enough energy to climb over the wall. So inexplicably it somehow tunnels through it, by disappearing and suddenly reappearing on the other side. Tunneling requires less energy than climbing over and is possible due to what’s known as superposition.

Since any particle’s position and form isn’t completely fixed, until measured, this ambiguous state allows particles to do some pretty weird and surprising things that can’t be explained by classical physics. Though quantum tunneling is beginning to be used in technology, such as with quantum computing, physicists still don’t understand exactly how or why it happens.
[Image: quant-tun-2.jpg?1518969433] The KAUST IR Antenna. Credit: KAUST. So what KAUST researchers did was, instead of using a semiconductor to move electrons through, they took advantage of quantum tunneling. Shamim and colleagues fashioned a bowtie-shaped nano-antenna attached to a metal-insulator-metal (MIM) diode. Infrared waves are pulled in by the antenna, then pass through an incredibly thin barrier, which allows electrons to be collected in a matter of femtoseconds (quadrillionths of a second).

The nanoscale antenna is two overlapping metal arms with a thin film of gold and titanium in the middle, allowing for the generation of an electrical field that invites tunneling. The material used doesn’t get hot or cold, so it doesn’t need to be cooled or heated.

This technology is scalable since its design is based on physical rather than chemical properties. Postdoctoral researcher Gaurav Jayaswal, who worked on the project, said in a press release, "The most challenging part was the nanoscale overlap of the two antenna arms, which required very precise alignment. Nonetheless, by combining clever tricks with the advanced tools at KAUST’s nanofabrication facility we accomplished this step.”

Researchers say this could be a real “game changer” for renewable energy. While photovoltaic solar panels can only collect energy during the day, when the sun is shining, infrared heat can be collected 24-7, in any weather. This method could be used to recoup energy from waste heat generated during industrial processes as well.
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Code's dilemma - background radiation vs. low level amounts of man-made radioactive sources.  

I remember reading something that Oppenheimer hinted at, that this may not be the first Atomic Age.  I've seen only a couple of investigations into what background radiation was before we started this Atomic Age and they were extrapolating by trying to subtract what they assumed they had started adding and they did not have the sensitive instrumentation that came later.  We have an estimate of the amount and composition of background radiation.  Testing the accuracy of carbon-14 dating we learn that peaks of C-14 deposition have occurred over time, thought to be mostly caused by solar activity, that required adjustments to the dating.  Life has adapted to a limited range of radiation, too little as bad as too much.  What is the optimum amount?  At what point do man-made inputs cause a downward curve?  Source, distance, and duration.  Already we see noticeable health effects in people mining the ore, in people living near nuclear power plants and radioactive waste streams, and in other organisms and wildlife.  

" The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions."
Seldom examined is the role of Carbon-14.  There was a background of radioactive carbon that life is adapted to but nuclear activities are adding significant amounts to that old background we grew up in.   I only mention it because carbon is a building block of life even down to the structure of carbon nanotubes.  

Stray electrons everywhere, some are going way too fast.  DNA is the receivership capability of the Information field.  We are like radios, transmitting and receiving the EM field around us.  Even non-ionizing radiation, RF energy can wreck our radios.  EMF is gaining notoriety as a cancer causing agent.  

Cancer Link Confirmed in Largest Ever Cell Tower Radiation Study
August 21, 2018
https://www.wakingtimes.com/2018/08/21/c...ion-study/

Technology marches forward.  

"How can three PhDs and three doctors write so much and say so little?  Nevertheless, I have followed some of these developments for decades, and I say there is something to it all. That is, the bioelectric field and electromagnetic physiology."

Great line Code, I couldn't agree more.  I had the opportunity to study basic electronics but it wasn't until I learned to repair radios that I began to understand how the pieces fit together.  It's not the voltage that will kill you, it's the current.
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Quote:The fact that X-rays and α-particles induced different alterations of miR-21 expression suggests that different types of radiation induce different gene expression and signaling.

Taken together, these results suggest that the radiation quality-dependence of bystander effect may be associated with the TGF-β1-Smad2 pathway and the change of the miR-21 level in irradiated cells.

There you go Code.  Proof of a bystander effect caused by alpha radiation and the cellular mechanism employed.  Quality, indeed, of the type of radiation. The thorium pendant emits alpha radiation, definitely a hazard if a bit of it was ingested or inhaled in the making or disposal of the pendant.  

Cute little video. I don't want my proteins to die.
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(08-22-2018, 06:42 PM)Horse Wrote:
Quote:The fact that X-rays and α-particles induced different alterations of miR-21 expression suggests that different types of radiation induce different gene expression and signaling.

Taken together, these results suggest that the radiation quality-dependence of bystander effect may be associated with the TGF-β1-Smad2 pathway and the change of the miR-21 level in irradiated cells.

There you go Code.  Proof of a bystander effect caused by alpha radiation and the cellular mechanism employed.  Quality, indeed, of the type of radiation. The thorium pendant emits alpha radiation, definitely a hazard if a bit of it was ingested or inhaled in the making or disposal of the pendant.  

Cute little video.  I don't want my proteins to die.

Below is a Thorium-232 gas mantles Gamma scintillator test. In it I provide more details of the different Thorium-232 decay daughter isotopes, X-rays and Gamma energies. Thorium-232 decay daughter isotopes emit, X-rays, Gamma, Beta and Alpha radiation.


Be aware that the Pancake Geiger counter and the Gamma Scintillator only detect part of the radiation that is present. Their efficiency of detection for different isotopes varies widely. As an example in the chart below the NaI(Tl) Gamma radiation Scintillator detector may have a ~50% efficiency at detecting the Lead-212 77 keV X-ray, and only ~7% efficiency at detecting Thallium-208 at 583 keV.

What you see on your radiation test equipment display only shows part of the radiation that is present! Each test instrument is like wearing glasses with a different colour filter, it only shows you a small part of reality.

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Code, what I can make sense of is a complex RF communication system, various electronic circuits working together to receive and transmit information; a simple radio.  It helps me understand the electrical part of biology.  Different jargons and mechanisms but essentially the same functions being described.  To try to understand what an electron is and what it's properties are takes a toe dip into quantum mechanics.  Dive right in to quantum mechanics to understand sub-atomic beta and alpha particles where standard assumptions are still just assumptions.  Busby explains photons and theorizes.  He knows more than I do.  The link you gave didn't work for me though.  

Degree of danger, compare the pendant to a granite counter top.  Granite contains varying amounts of radioactive material.  Some granite might read quite high.  As Vital1 points out - What you see on your radiation test equipment display only shows part of the radiation that is present!  Dose coefficient as calculated by the ICRP was lowballed for the industry's protection, not for the protection of health.  Exposure dose would be more useful to determine the degree of danger.  
1.  What radioactive source you're exposed to.
2.  Distance from the source, external or internal exposure.
3.  Time, how long you're exposed.  
Use a dosimeter to measure your own personal absorbed dose of external ionizing radiation.  Avoid internal exposures.  Follow ECRR recommendations and dose coefficients instead of the ICRP's.  Watch the Olympics on TV instead of going to Japan.  Don't eat Chernobyl apples.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4674188/

Quote:Claims that elevated natural background radiation levels lead to cancer or early childhood deaths are unjustified and misleading. The risk to the individual and society that is estimated by adhering to the LNT model is greater than the risk from doses and dose rates at which the LNT model cannot be validated.
Assumes cancer to be the only risk factor.  Mentions in conclusions early childhood deaths but I must have missed that in their studies analysis.  General term radiation used - what type?  I live in a region with a high natural background.  Not a statistical concern, ok, but I try not to camp on uranium mine tailings and you won't see me on the Rocky Flats nature trail.  Radon gas is a well known widespread problem and efforts are on-going to mediate the risk. The region does have the highest rates of MS in the country.  

http://www.academia.edu/10309439/The_wor...cal_issues

Fixed the links.  Chores now, more later.
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Code, about that big graph paper, just adjust the scale.  I do understand your conundrum but I don't have the answer to it either.  This will probably annoy the Geiger people but the instrument is not that useful as a guide to LL fallout.  If a nuclear event happened you would get an alert of the Cesium when a dangerous cloud passed by, but probably too late to run away.  It's just not that sensitive an instrument.  We could use better radiation detection equipment that's affordable to the masses.  Lucas has made contributions here discussing radiation detection instruments.  I thought the bubble detector was nifty.  After Fuku I looked at our taxpayer funded Radnet.  I thought it was a joke and MVB has an archive that fills us in on just how bad a joke it's been.  Just measuring a small sample does not tell you much about the real world.  It's nice to read all these papers with all these careful radiation measurements made in a lab and all the extrapolations they make.  In the Rocky Flats lawsuit - testing the land for plutonium with a Geiger counter only.  Only a handful of samples were sent to a lab for alpha testing to detect plutonium.  Ok'ing land that had not even been swept with a Geiger. It's the scale, Code, just adjust the scale.
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Be sure to read: The nuclear establishment cannot be trusted on radiation https://nation.cymru/opinion/the-nuclear...radiation/ posted in biological impacts.
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Well, we know we're barking against rigged numbers between ICRP and ECRR by a big factor.  Instrumentation available to anyone is limited in scope as well as coverage compared to what the military and researchers have available.  Statistical death and disease modeling provides cover for the real life tragedies that unfold in the ensuing years.  The Fuku radio-iodine release is a case in point.  The warnings came too little, too late.  It was three days before evacuations were started at Fuku.  The Japanese had already absorbed an Iodine dose.  Politicians declared the US safe, raised allowable radiation levels, turned off Radnet, and headed for the Southern Hemisphere.  The radio-iodine mixed into the background soup of radiation, hardly noticeable as you say, but an element that shouldn't be in there and that targets the thyroid and endocrine system.  Other radioactive elements got mixed in as well, cesium, strontium, plutonium, the whole dirty reactor times four.  The amplitude of the background didn't change much but the reactor-made elements are toxic ingredients that weren't there before.  They say it's less than background, don't worry, but they don't even mention those mountainous coefficients in toxicity of the new background.  They've done the experiments, they have the real numbers, and they knew how much to adjust the multiplier to hide it.  

Adjusting the scale on test equipment just keeps the signal on the screen.  I could get lost in all those too big or too small numbers and they keep us lost by adjusting the scale without telling us the real multiplier to use.  If the ICRP scale is correct no noticeable effects from radiation; no increase in infant mortality, no heart disease, diabetes, neurological problems, no cancers.  If the ECRR scale is correct we would see increases of these health problems in affected populations.  If increases in death and disease are observed it can easily be blamed on other industrial toxins or the other favorite, bad lifestyle choices.  I would argue that debating the nuke community is rather pointless, they won't change their minds.  What I think we can do is educate people to the radioactive numbers game.  

New lyrics for an old song.  
How many meltdowns will it take till they know that too many people have died.  
The answer, my friend, might be blowing in the wind.  
The answer might be blowin' in the wind.
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Looks like the ECRR scale is more representative of the real life situation than the ICRP scale.
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Lead is pretty toxic to humans even at low doses measured in ppm.  You probably wouldn't get a lead pendant for you or your kids to try to block EMF even if it's commonly used to shield from radiation.  Radioactive elements are probably more damaging to health than lead.  The yytrium replacement for the thorium in gas lantern mantles can still cause lung and liver damage and they just don't burn as bright, the thorium ones are still on the market.  Industry has found way too many useful properties in different radioactive elements to quit using them.  Along the way, workers in industries suffer various health problems from the many different toxic and radioactive elements used to make or that are in the products before the consumer shows any symptoms and demands change.  

Lead and thorium both stay in the body for years.  

"The biological halftime of Th deposited in bone is several years (Taylor et al., 2000)."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pha...ce/thorium

"Lead in bone has a biological half-life of about ten years."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_half-life

If you accumulate it faster than you get rid of it, there is ever increasing damage.  

Biological age determines how much damage will be done as young bodies are absorbing more minerals and chemicals than older bodies do.  

Like most things in life, it's not just whether something's good or bad, but the circumstances that determines the outcome.  

Code - Horse,  the main reason we would take a measurement of say the pendant is to determine how radioactive it is so we can judge its danger.  Should we wear it or store it in lead?  

We can take a measurement to determine the metals in the pendant and it's radio-activity. Since it was a sample of Thorium that Vital1 could use for calibrating his test equipment, I'd want it shielded rather than hanging around my neck.  The pendants intended purpose was to protect from EMF and it doesn't do that at all.  Its use then as a decorative necklace for an adult isn't so dangerous since Alpha won't penetrate skin.  Thorium daughter's Beta emissions might burn skin and tissue.  The unintended uses when a kid plays with one or a baby sticks one in its mouth and sucks on it could be very dangerous.  I wouldn't want one lying around the house.  

Code -  Meanwhile four nuclear reactors can explode and spew radioactive heavy metal hot particles around the globe and its perfectly fine, as shown by measurements.

Fuku TEPCO's interpretation of the measurements based on those ICRP multipliers is faulty. The evidence of radiation damage to health from Chernobyl's meltdown led to ECRR corrected multipliers.  We're seeing the same radiation related health problems in the Japanese populations contaminated by Fuku just from the limited health surveys and statistics made available as well as from anecdotal sources.  Government leaders and nuclear industry leaders have no reason to tell people the truth.  They have every reason to keep lying to say its safe and everyone can just get back to work.  The whole Northern Hemisphere is contaminated with Fuku hot particles.  Vital1 has detected some drifting into the Southern Hemisphere.  I don't think the ICRP or the ECRR take into consideration the effects on the rest of the biota; aquatic species and animals, plants, insects, microorganisms, that got dosed and how that will affect us in other ways.  

I liked the graphic that Pia put up on quantum physics, though I think the chasm of ignorance would be the largest slice of the pie.  They made it smaller so they could fit what they knew in the graphic. The IR antenna showed that geometry is critical to the measurement.  Your graphic looks like something I saw back in the late fifties.  Sad the way they market ignorance when there's so much to learn.  I'm used to reading instruments and trying to figure out what the measurement can tell us so I appreciate vital1's readings and his posts on what they mean.  I've been given some of these EM protectors but I never thought some might be radioactive material.  I've always just thrown them away after the trade show. I couldn't believe that people are buying into them, probably the worst effect of the word 'radiation' on people.
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