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CRL's Mission: 530 Sieverts Conversation
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This conversation was taken from the 530 Sieverts thread and ensued after one of Horse's posts. At the bottom of this thread are my final thoughts on the following entries. 


rad radio said in response to Horse: 


Quote:Perhaps you don't realize how radioactive corium is, especially when fission is still occurring, the fresh I-131 still being detected is proof of that.

You mentioned the Elephant foot, but that was graphite moderated and had been solidified by liquid nitrogen, and it's still intensely radioactive.


The EPA's beta charts are a huge disappointment - I was relying on them to backup my own readings however they only confirmed my readings after the fact - they were even at their best delayed by at least 6 hours - I already had issued live over-the-air radiation warnings earlier in the day and the chart update would then show the spike I had already detected.

Since I knew they would start hiding the data (predicted it matter of fact) I was already taking my own readings and only using the Beta chart as a calibration tool.  After all PR is paramount to the nuclear industry.  Managing people's perception is more about what you don't tell them than what false assurances your agencies and revolving door NRC shills and other captured so-called 'regulatory' bodies (like the iaea) cook up.

Lying can only get the industry so far, it's easier to simply cut off the data - to keep the public in the dark while the corporate media blacksout the subject and pretends it never happened, isn't still ongoing and doesn't matter.



Sooner or later worry translates into action lest it simmer into confusion.

For example one can study nuclear physics and find out on their own how far Muon's penetrate, then realize the entire containment structure is transparent to such scans.   One figures this out by noting how deeply Neutrino detectors have to be underground to be shielded from Muons..

A person can note the differences in the composition of the reactor Chernobyl core and the 3 cores at Daiichi, the MOX is much  hotter and Graphite much more resilient.
   
The data is out there and those concerned have had 6 years to engage in a crash course in the field.


Quote:I'm staying inside as much as possible.

My advice is on perfectly clear days get 10-15 min of direct sunlight only around noon, and avoid all other exposure.


As far as Iodine 131, none of it makes it this far excepting the initial explosions - it's in the areas adjacent to the reactors where it continues to be detected, saturating your Thyroid is only meant as a temporary measure, and mainly for the young..

Re: Bromine

I'd consult the Environmental Working Group's data, and your jaw will drop when you see the true scope of the problem :

https://www.ewg.org/

Pull the MSDS's for everything you see and look the study data over real carefully to get a complete picture.


One subject that consistently escapes your attention and concern is AGW while more concern than is warranted (or supported by data) is directed to this disaster as the causation of these events.

https://robertscribbler.com/

   

There's only so much one can do online.  When people are worried yet refuse to educate themselves and follow the path of least effort while expecting to be spoon fed tales & data that are comforting...

For example while I have some skills and knowledge that go beyond the average person in the field, 6 years ago I was a complete newbie on the subject.


It's more a matter of determination, motivation and willpower.

Invention is 1 % inspiration, 99 % perspiration as Edison liked to say.


Everything I've looked up, read, tried and built - on zero budget - anyone can do likewise.

Reuse, recycle, re-purpose, reclaim.

volunteers can set up yet another radiation monitoring net, but what matters most are the individual actions of those concerned, which sad to say are very few and amounts to little.

When concern and worry leads to action a path of self-responsibility has begun.  Soon while walking this path a person realizes they're not  at the mercy of forces unseen or tales untold as they were first led to believe.  Eventually a mastery of the subject provides a sense of empowerment - you realize you don't have to quiver in the dark while life passes you by.  A person can point to the path and even provide road signs, but it's up to each individual to walk it, starting with wanting to.

It seems like a long way to walk, but even a journey of a thousand miles begins with that first step
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(02-09-2017, 05:28 AM)rad radio Wrote: One subject that consistently escapes your attention and concern is AGW while more concern than is warranted (or supported by data) is directed to this disaster as the causation of these events.

AGW doesn't escape me, it's covered in so many other forums.  I think solar energy drives Earth's climate not CO2.  If you include man's enormous input of the trace greenhouse gases krypton and xenon from nuclear activities destroying the ozone layer then yes, man has made things worse.  The holes formed above the poles, look where big changes are occurring.  Increased cosmic energy striking Earth forms more clouds and will increase rain; look, its flooding here leaving drought there.  Shifting weather patterns are cause for much concern; problems growing food.  Warming is not the problem, cooling is.  Crops grow in the summer, not winter.  We knew back in the 70's that we were headed for another ice age.  Global warming research gets funded to support a carbon tax scheme that won't stop a single emission.  The lack of sun spots indicates cooling trends are ahead.  We might look back fondly on the warming period and wonder how to recreate it; simple, if we made it with our fossil fuel economy. I've seen more adjusted data from the warming side than we get from TEPCO.  No point in arguing with the scientific consensus.  Wait and see.
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#3
Trying to get back on topic, the 530 Sievert reading has media stirred up.  Fukushima is only one in a string of nuclear problems; the current poster-child for a troubled industry.  It takes a little sensationalism to get people's attention.  Here's another report on how bad it is.  
Highest Fukushima Radioactivity since 2011 and its 'Unimaginable' Consequences
https://www.sott.net/article/342065-High...nsequences
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
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#4
Wandering the forum myself, Pia. Was I in the radnet or the 530 Sievert thread, lost track, was watching fantastic webs on cam4 and spark bursts on cam1. I keep up with the View Today's Posts link at the bottom. I really should get back to that webcam thread.
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#5
unfortunately with the amount of traffic and participation this forum actually gets, having a labyrinth of subforums has a dampening effect on coherent active discussion, the logs and membership list, specifically the number of posts and threads per member bear that out

I've set up forums myself and in one case I used forum software rather than blogging software just because it was easier to administrate.  So while it appeared to be a forum it was actually a blog.  Forums and blogs have different goals and often a blogger has different attitudes regarding comments.

For example instead of deleting the spam I simply moved it to a sub-forum called spam while editing hot links and using ROBOTS.TXT to try to keep search engines from indexing it.  95 % of my traffic was spam & bots and on Tor hidden services there's simply no way to reliably filter it.

- even when running 134 servers redirecting the bots across them (bots and spammers are interested in links not discussion).

Real content from actual people is precious I learned, that there's a great thirst for it in a virtual reality world filled with copy & paste

A blog however is typically one person's interest and all other contributions are simply comments below.

Often I skip the blog entry entirely and immediately scroll down to the comments because, for me, that's where the real action is.


The statistics here indicate a blog that only appears to be a forum - like I once ran


I never comment on blogs however because I've found the atmosphere/attitude of bloggers to be too structured, too restrictive - some have even said explicitly that they consider their blog to be their 'home' and proceed to apply various rules and expectations to the 'guests'


While a forum is like a speakeasy in an open public space, a community commons.


So blogs pretending to be forums are especially problematic for me
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#6
I'd pare the number of sub-forums way down, but also add a sub-forum called 'thunderdome' or whatever, where people can be confrontational

and as administrator I would only spend time administrating, dealing with spam and signing up new members. (none have in a week)

I'd restrict my own posts to my own set of sub-forums, much like a blog, and avoid micromanaging on other threads started by other people

And I'd avoid hiding behind other people who aren't present - aren't actively participating any longer, no matter who they are, and also avoid using bland vague platitudes as rules.


see the comments here as an example of what allowing people to be confrontational leads to - note the quality and depth of the discussion (and the timestamps), when people aren't afraid or restricted from speaking their mind :

https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2017/02/0.../#comments


this forum's statistics reveals all, use them as your guide
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#7
as far as Tarzie's blog goes, it's about political issues so it's no surprise you'll find people having frank discussions about whatever is happening politically - I'm not referring to the actual subjects - I specifically pointed out the quality and depth of the discussions in the comments.   Skimming over them looking for dog whistles to condemn them isn't what I had in mind, for example you'd see that people are discussing punching nazi's, not supporting them..

Quote:Cafe Rad Lab concentrates on scientific findings - because there are many "angles" involved with..

AGW is very scientific with huge amounts of data supporting it, yet what people are seeing on here are issues with little to no data supporting them, all avoiding the issue of AGW, without any sub-forum or even thread addressing it.

- since the majority of people now accept AGW as fact not just an 'angle', being in the AGW denialist camp is a huge turn-off.

- few people even care about nuclear issues, we're in a tiny minority already.  So by placing this already marginalized subject within another minority,  means even fewer people will feel compelled to add their contributions.


the forum statistics paints a very disconcerting picture - that this forum is dead, and you're the reason why

it's not really a forum at all, it's your personal blog, and you like it that way


I just wanted to verify it

thank you for so eloquently doing so Wink
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#8
AGW will lead to power grid failure, which will lead to multiple nuclear reactor meltdowns

Also, as part of the nuclear industry PR efforts, a narrative is that NPP's "don't emit CO2" along with ignoring all the CO2 that's emitted in mining, refining and processing the fuel, along with the concrete and steel the plants are constructed with, and then there's the issue of decommissioning and the CO2 emissions involved in containing and burying them.

So as we can see, AGW is intimately tied in with the subject of nuclear power every step of the way

- not to mention ALL the waste heat from ALL nuclear activities directly adds to AGW (nature doesn't operate nuclear power plants, WE do)

..this is where having one person post 99 % of all the posts leads to - a personal blog with only said person's views welcome


look not only at the posts but more revealingly the view count and lack of replies..


the forum's own statistics belie your claims, on several metrics


you get 90 % bot traffic as well.



which is fine for a blog I guess
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#9
if administrating a dead forum as a vanity project run under an iron fist with no new active members, and no new threads or even posts or replies for weeks even months at a time, is your idea of a successful forum, you're welcome to it.


I'll just stay in PM like I have been since december..
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#10
Thanks Pia, for all that you do and thanks to Lucas for providing this site.  I’ve found CRL useful for posting pictures, video, and in-depth content that won’t easily fit into those small comment boxes on most sites; where a link back to a topic on CRL can be squeezed in.  The CRL thread topic can then be used as a reference for easily sharing the information with others to reach a wider audience.  Rad Radio may not have known, as I didn’t at first, many of the daily visitors coming to CRL are leaders and professionals that already know quite a bit about nuclear energy and are looking for pertinent information to share with their organizations and readerships.  When a thread drifts too far off-topic all the information can get lost in the noise.  Rad Radio contributed good commentary to discuss the astounding 530 Sievert reading taken in the pcv of unit 2; unfortunately, he then raised a couple too many other topics in that thread.  It’s easy to get carried away sometimes and not know when to stop; I have been guilty of that myself.  It would have been more considerate to our audience to start new threads for the affordable detectors, radiation protections, and the climate change that he sees as worse than the Fukushima meltdowns, where we could then discuss different opinions; elaborate on our points of view; and then be able to refer links back to specific threads and posts without derailing the day’s headliner topic.  Further, the suggestions and criticism of the site could have been posted in the New User or General Discussion areas without the personal attacks.  I personally think Rad Radio owes Pia an apology for the diatribe that led to the creation of this particular thread.  I would like to see more of Rad Radio’s valuable information and discussion added to CRL without the new childish signature that he adopted.
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Thanks for cleaning up that thread, I wanted to link to it at another site. Learning is fun. Let's see who wants to play.
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