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WEBCAM July 2016
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(07-24-2016, 07:00 AM)Horse Wrote:
(07-23-2016, 05:01 PM)Chasaha Wrote: Amazing screenshots on a sparkly night.  
Orange, Green, Purple and Blue.

If I have the time I may check the alternate angle on the high speed replay. I might catch one. Smile

Re: " Why don't we find more match ups? "
- Horse  #22

I think the reason we have not seen more cross checked, Unit1 Cam vs Unit4 Cam, is because most people might not think to do it,  take the time to do it or have the knowledge to do it.    

I also know the TEPCO cam clocks are not synced.
Currently they are off by about 45 seconds which is the difference on the double spark multi-angle shot.

I have cross checked many times and never seen one like the other night's double catch.   Although, I have always thought it probable, as a way to possibly verify Theory 1.   I'll be checking more now.    

Distance and angles are hard to determine with these zoomed cams.

Exclamation  The purple spark on the smoke stack screenshot is interesting.  (2016-07-22 23:18:35) If an Aerial Spark, then it is between the stack and the camera.  It would be great to catch a 'longy' spark that is partially blocked by a stack or crane.   That might tell us something.

Did your screenshots come from the high speed recording or from your own recording?

Hi Chasaha, I’m glad the two sets of well timed sparks stirred a little excitement.  Since you first raised the ‘aerial’ theory, I have been cross-checking when I find a c4 spark.  I’ll admit to a bit of surprise at finally finding two matchups.  The spark grabs come from scanning my recordings.  I sometimes go thru the time lapse vids and have grabbed from there but it’s much more difficult, kudos to those with the patience.  I encourage anyone spotting a suspected c4 spark to post a jst time so we can cross check.  I say suspected c4 spark because most of the ones I note down to check aren’t really there; my old eyes get tricked by the flash of a neon light.  The sparks flash by so quickly watching in real time and I’m never sure if I really saw one until I check the recording.  

“purple spark on the smoke stack screenshot is interesting.  (2016-07-22 23:18:35)”
I have not found a spark that is partially blocked by cranes or tower.  They all appear closer to the lens, in front of objects.  The ones on the r1 tent are obviously between the camera and the reactor building.  It’s been strong evidence for a CCD effect.  However, I have noticed that Fuku fogging seems to dim the sparks.  We also need to come up with a mechanism for an aerial effect.  Something exploding in the distance wouldn’t be a pinpoint spark.  The closest I can get would be a comparison to fireworks, sparks from igniting metal particles.  

Here’s a funny, most of the sparks I noticed before I started recording the tepcams I saw on cam4.  That was when r3 sfp was having debris removed and r4 spent fuel was said to be removed and the common pool was much hotter than now.  In the early days, sparks were hardly mentioned and everyone was fascinated by webs.  What did the old-timers think of the sparks?  Nuckelchen pointed out the distortions, but that didn’t get much traction.  When I see sparks on cam4 I think of something on the south side, like r3 sfp.  Cam4 doesn’t spark as much as it used to.  When the roof came off of r1 the sparking on cam1 increased.  The radiation in the air near the cameras make sparks flash in the view.  I have no problem with both theories being correct; I think we’re just figuring out the details.  The switch to flowplayer put color into most of the sparks, and changed the colors; red now looks orange.  I think they adjusted the f-stop or exposure time on the cam feeds.  

Majia and the watchers on the Enenews webcam forum are complaining how difficult connecting to the TEPCO Flowplayer feeds is and they get rather alarmist.  I haven’t had any problems with maintaining connection to the tepcams.  Even the early morning disconnects have stopped.  Flowplayer is more demanding of video and browsers are more demanding of computer memory resources than the old direct feeds were.  Clean your computer or consider equipment upgrades.  

“I also know the TEPCO cam clocks are not synced.
Currently they are off by about 45 seconds which is the difference on the double spark multi-angle shot.”
Yes, so which one syncs to official jst time?  Been meaning to check, is either one the real jst or are both delayed?  

Thanks Chas for debating the true nature of sparks, I might not have looked or known what to look for without your input and it helps me to stay objective.

btw - I would say my opinion on the sparking anomaly is almost exactly the same as yours.     Whether theory 1 or 2, the sparking indicates higher activity.

I have also had issues with display of the TEPCO cams, especially Unit4 cam.  Sometimes I click redisplay 3 or 4 times, but it usually takes.

The thing with Theory 1 is that, if it's true, then it really is a bit mind blowing.  For some reason it seems easier for my brain to accept an electronic blip than a giant flying hot spark.  

I wonder sometimes what the size of the spark might be?    When/if a spark is caught on both cams then it may be possible to estimate the size.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation )  I would 'questimate' it could be near the size of a small bus, if they really are above or near the reactors.   I base this observation on the size that a human appears to be while on top of Unit1 or Unit2.

I may have been one of the first ones in the early days to comment on the sparks.  I might have called them vertical lightning bolts.   I agree most were white, but I do remember observing some colored ones.   I also would concur that more are now being seen on the Unit1 cam.  

Has a, (perhaps tiny), spark ever been spotted on the TBS cam? Idea
 
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(07-26-2016, 11:18 AM)Chasaha Wrote: btw - I would say my opinion on the sparking anomaly is almost exactly the same as yours.     Whether theory 1 or 2, the sparking indicates higher activity.

I have also had issues with display of the TEPCO cams, especially Unit4 cam.  Sometimes I click redisplay 3 or 4 times, but it usually takes.

The thing with Theory 1 is that, if it's true, then it really is a bit mind blowing.  For some reason it seems easier for my brain to accept an electronic blip than a giant flying hot spark.  

I wonder sometimes what the size of the spark might be?    When/if a spark is caught on both cams then it may be possible to estimate the size.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation )  I would 'questimate' it could be near the size of a small bus, if they really are above or near the reactors.   I base this observation on the size that a human appears to be while on top of Unit1 or Unit2.

I may have been one of the first ones in the early days to comment on the sparks.  I might have called them vertical lightning bolts.   I agree most were white, but I do remember observing some colored ones.   I also would concur that more are now being seen on the Unit1 cam.  

Has a, (perhaps tiny), spark ever been spotted on the TBS cam? Idea

- size of the spark

My spark is bigger than your spark.  Ha Ha, trying to be funny.  You were probably the first I remember posting a spark and didn’t you catch the biggest one?  All the sparks are roughly the same size.  When the spark appears larger; it’s usually two dots together or a dot with a tail.  Two different colored sparks together would be difficult in the air but reasonable if they’re only in the Charge Coupled Device (CCD).  Some sparks are brighter and some dimmer, I guess because some have more energy than others rather than a distance factor.  I consider too that workers on site should be able to see any large light display in the sky, even a flash, and would find a way to report it; TEPCO state secret law aside.   I think the CCD camera picks up the track of high energy particles, the invisible radiation on site.  I’ve wondered if the different colors aren’t different particles.  I haven’t heard of any sparks on tbs-jnn but if they were spotted I bet they’d be the same size as tepcam sparks.  

- sparking indicates higher activity

Indeed, when I started noticing the sparks and figured out they weren’t just noise I got a little alarmist.  Hard to convey when the sparks aren’t so easy to catch on the fly and few have put together computer equipment to record.  Sparks were noticeable the first year; then a couple years when I thought them gone or very infrequent; then the increase in the last couple years to levels almost as bad as that first year.  Was it because no one was really looking that closely or did the fuel melts start generating more radiation?  According to a German study the disaster will continue to get worse producing more radiation for years to come.  TEPCO keeps reporting new record levels of becquerels in water around the reactors.  It’s frustrating after watching five years of makeshift remediation that there is no sense of urgency to do as much as possible before the rising radiation levels make work more difficult than it has already proven to be.  The site is dumping too much radiation to the environment and raising allowable limits is not a good response.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
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The sparks captured on the ISS livestream camera of a solar wind hitting the space station were the same as the sparks found on the tepcams.  That evidence convinced me that the tepcams were picking up ionizing radiation and displaying sparks.  Trying to determine if they were Alpha, Beta, or Gamma was made difficult from the dearth of published research on radiations effects on CCD cameras.  Reading Majia’s blog I noticed another candidate for the sparks, HZE radiation.  

http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2016/07/i...pacts.html
Quote:HZE radiation is galactic radiation consisting of the nuclei of atoms heavier than helium and hydrogen.
Quote:HZE ions are similar to alpha particles, which consist of a nucleus of a helium atom. HZE ions by definition are a form of fast moving particle radiation consisting of nuclei of elements heavier than hydrogen: “A nucleus with no orbiting electrons”:
From Wikipedia: HZE ions are the high-energy nuclei component of galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) which have an electric charge greater than +2. The abbreviation "HZE" comes from high (H) atomic number (Z) and energy (E). HZE ions include the nuclei of all elements heavier than hydrogen (which has a +1 charge) and helium (which has a +2 charge). Each HZE ion consists of a nucleus with no orbiting electrons, meaning that the charge on the ion is the same as the atomic number of the nucleus. HZE ions are rare compared to protons, for example, composing only 1% of GCRs versus 85% for protons.[1] HZE ions, like other GCRs, travel near the speed of light. Their source is likely to be supernova explosions.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HZE_ions

Sounds like nasty stuff, fast moving radioactive heavy element nuclei stripped of electrons. Nuclear fission produces heavy elements.  The charge on the ion is the same as the atomic number of the nucleus; might be what causes different colors registering on the CCD cams, different heavy elements. What stuff has TEPCO’s accident unleashed?
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
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nuc had a good vid up - showing steam, high heat I guess --
he did a nice split screen showing no fog storm or any bad weather on the traffic cam.....


2015 07 21 fukushima daiichi
nuckelchen.blog.de

http://youtu.be/RIu8Te_5VnU
 
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