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Dec 2019 comments
#41
""gamma-radiation and MeHg can interact and significantly exacerbate developmental neurotoxic effects, as manifested by disrupted spontaneous behaviour, lack of habituation, and impaired learning and memory functions."

Interaction of gamma-radiation and methyl mercury during a critical phase of neonatal brain development in mice exacerbates developmental neurobehavioural effects."

Ruh Roh...
 
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#42
A paper by Ed Berry based on simplified physics looks at the climate issue.   I find it interesting to read the comment thread at the bottom.  Who is convincing?
https://edberry.com/blog/climate/climate...heric-co2/

I kept expecting to see Greta chime in since she 'knows' the climate science. 

Im not smart enough to make an opinion about the climate science. The presentation by Salby was interesting, but I couldnt follow it in full.  https://edberry.com/blog/climate/climate...heric-co2/

One thing that seems fairly obvious is that the earth is a mess....if you like any life other than rich humans that is....and that mess has not yet been caused by co2.   I get the feeling that most people dont even think the living world is in dire shape

BTW, sorry if I have deluged the comment forum.  Nothing lasts forever...
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#43
Mankind's technological development has given us so many elements and chemicals that cause serious health issues and from just the smallest amounts.  It took years and strong regulation to get the Lead out of gasoline and Lead and Cadmium out of paint.  DDT was found to be toxic but its replacement with Glyphosate is still poisoning the wildlife and us.  Contrary to industrial proclamations, radionuclides are increasing the ionizing radiation we're exposed to.  The latest threat to our health comes from cell phone communications, non-ionizing radiation.  It was suggested that we needed a forum just for non-ionizing radiation. Let me know if there are other threads that should be moved to the new forum.  

Health & Environmental effects of Non-Ionizing Radiation
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
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#44
I think that we do not know the half of it in oh so many ways.

Gamma-ray laser moves a step closer to reality

"Extremely short-lived and only briefly stable, positronium is a hydrogen-like atom and a mixture of matter and antimatter—specifically, bound states of electrons and their antiparticles called positrons. To create a gamma-ray laser beam, positronium needs to be in a state called a Bose-Einstein condensate—a collection of positronium atoms in the same quantum state, allowing for more interactions and gamma radiation. Such a condensate is the key ingredient of a gamma-ray laser."

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-gamma-ray-...ality.html

I'm positive that the last mistake of mankind will not be televised...
 
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#45
Happy Sunday. Enjoy...

Casino Nation - Jackson Browne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nggyni6bee4

Only Love. Because it begins there and ultimately becomes only love...
We always ask what have we done because we don't know what we are doing.


 
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#46
HHD, is this what was happening in Detroit?

Uranium contamination site partially collapses into Detroit River, waste was created during the Manhattan Project

Dave Battagello
Windsor Star
Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:24 UTC
https://beta.windsorstar.com/news/local-...e95a266b6/

Even if the pile doesn't spread radioactive contamination, it stirred up the sediment that has toxins in it. Any safe radiation it spreads will be near a city water intake for easy testing. Forgotten piles eroding, diluting right before our eyes.
"The map is not the territory that it is a map of ... the word is not the thing being referred to."
 
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#47
Piles and dumps...just don't forget to check on your lumps and bumps

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bos...ar-BBXYbZl

And let's not forget it is...

Complicated?
Wizards and innards, buckles on tongues,
unleashed by humans see what has begun
The ripple effect... keeps courses in check
no they don't want to hear it
It's delivered and we blindly cheer it
endear it like a career politician setting blinders
Keep coming with reminders
finders keepers, always losers weepers
time to pull out the sweepers....
billionaire peepers......religious creepers.....earth grim reapers....all fates keepers,
behind closed doors and tall walls
from here to the moon and Mars , the BS is delivered on par
War monger seance, climate chaos,..
people tarred and feathered
it's getting complicated
genomes truncated,
emotions punctuated,
truths barred,
evaded by governments berating,
selling poisons for profits and ratings,
convoluting scopes cascading away any hopes,
float in the artificial, nope it's official,
humans, part and parcel are dismissible,
common sense seems no longer permissible,
the life conditions are rapidly dismal,
laying waste to a planet as if it's invisible,
to the contrary the two are indivisible
I could continue but it only gets more abysmal
so I'll just let it fissile
 
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#48
Research scientist Stephanie Seneff of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
“At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic,”  

Doesn't Greta call autism a super power?

co-morbidities
We better finish weaponizing the electromagnetic spectrum while we still can...our safety and national security is at stake!

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we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#49
U.S.  ...going the way of the Dodo bird

In the United States, almost half of adults (46.4 percent) will experience a mental illness during their lifetime.
5 percent of adults (18 or older) experience a mental illness in any one year, equivalent to 43.8 million people
1 child in 5 is learning disabled;
1 child in 6 under age eight, 1 in 2 adolescents, and 1 in 4 young adults is diagnosed with a mental, behavior or emotional disorder
There has been an unexplained 55 percent increase in depression and anxiety in children since 2003;
 1 child in 13 has a food allergy,
 1 child in 40 develops autism;
 1 child in 166 has active epilepsy with recurring seizures

 America has the worst infant mortality, maternal mortality and life expectancy rate of all developed nations.


https://www.mentalhealthfirstaid.org/201...tatistics/
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic...=766878005
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#50
this is not related to nuclear, but its a sign of the human ethos and behavior

"At least 35 species of fish are currently being genetically engineered around the world, including trout, catfish, tilapia, striped bass, flounder, and many species of salmon.  These fish are being engineered for traits that allegedly will make them better suited for industrial aquaculture, such as faster growth, disease resistance, larger muscles, and temperature tolerance.  The genes engineered in these experimental fish come from a variety of organisms, including other fish, coral, mice, bacteria, and even humans."

https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issu...ut-ge-fish
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#51
Outcome = yyyyyyaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/11/vati...-says.html

Gods people doing Gods work.....whew that was a close one, for a second I thought they were just mere humans.
 
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#52
I don't see where else to put this...

Enormous Craters Blasted in Seafloor by Nuclear Bombs Mapped for the First Time

[Image: W938N9YCpU9VEWYgZRpNPB-970-80.jpg]

https://www.livescience.com/mapping-reve...aters.html
We always ask what have we done because we don't know what we are doing.


 
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#53
nuclear is mans greatest folly.  I wonder how many ocean animals they killed...

There is a thin layer of water at the surface which is considered its own sort of ecosystem.

pollutants including heavy metals are up to 500 times higher in marine surface microlayer

https://www.elementascience.org/articles...menta.228/

Im pretty sure that would include nuke fallout
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#54
Russia takes on the business of storing nuclear waste for other countries, but needs international funding to deal with its own nuclear waste.   They are having some expensive difficulties with this nuclear storage facility, for example

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecolog...nup-starts

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we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#55
the Soviets used prisoners to handle nuclear materials in its atomic bomb project.

"The scientist Mikhail Klochko suggested that as many as 50,000 to 100,000 lives were lost in the process in the first decade alone, and other authorities concur that casualties were probably in the tens of thousands."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/ene...ere-put-it

Chelyabinsk-65 was also the site of the largest accident in nuclear history prior to the 1986 accident at Chernobyl. In September 1957 a steel tank holding liquid nuclear waste exploded, spreading radiation over an area of 23,000 square kilometers, or approximately 9,000 square miles, and affecting approximately a quarter of a million people, ten thousand of who had to be permanently evacuated from their homes.
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#56
great photo

Pavel, one of the metal workers, repairing an engine in the factory where radioactive metal scraps are recycled.
It is estimated that within the Exclusion Zone are distributed one million tons of scrap irons and metals with a value of about one billion dollars. A source of income that especially in economically difficult times did not remain unnoticed. After tons of material were smuggled more or less illegally outside the restricted area, in 2007 the Ukrainian government legalized the recycling of radioactively contaminated scrap metals based on sandblasting. According to official estimates since then about 40 000 tons of recycled metals were exported from the Zone of Alienation.


https://www.featureshoot.com/2016/12/122509/

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we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#57
"Extensive surveying of Chernobyl’s caesium-137 contamination was carried out in the 1990s under the auspices of the European Commission. The results indicate that about 3,900,000 km2 of Europe was contaminated by caesium-137 (above 4,000 Bq/m2) which is 40% of the surface area of Europe. Curiously, this latter figure does not appear to have been published and, certainly has never reached the public’s consciousness in Europe."

This article by Ian Fairlie indicates a higher burden of disease than recognized by the WHO.  The ECRR describes a much more serious consequence from Chernobyl than Ian Fairlie
http://www.chernobylreport.org/?p=summary
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#58
Chernobyl’s disastrous cover-up is a warning for the next nuclear age
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ioactivity
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#59
Masamichi Kagaya Autoradiographs

Masamichi Kagaya is creating visual records of radioactive contamination since 2011
http://www.autoradiograph.org/en/index.html

great work.   I was hoping to find some autoradiographs from other countries.  

When everyone says the fallout is safe, or that Fukushima is safe....just look at one of these photos and realize its not safe at all
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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#60
Whales are starving, birds are starving, sea lions and seals are dying,  fisheries are closed.   Theres an odd silence from the science community about it.   When you do read something, its sure to speculate that every catastrophe is caused by climate change.

If science is free to speculate wildly,  surely citizen scientists can. 

Fukushima was the largest oceanic release of radionuclides, except perhaps the bomb test era.   The scientists cant find any radiation to speak of in the oceans or animals.  Fallout is less than 1/1000 the background radiation in the ocean.

Meanwhile,  glaciers around the world have pockets of high radioactivity...2,700,000  bq/cubic meter.  For some reason, the scientists determine the safety of nuke fallout ignore that there are these pockets of radiation 270,000 times higher that what they find in the water column.

Perhaps they think its an isolated curiosity, not affecting life at large.  But theres another 'pocket' of radioactivity, mixed with a lot of other toxins.  They could hardly miss it, because its spread over the whole surface of the ocean. In fact they know about it, but dont consider it worth mentioning.  Its a kind of ecosystem and it accumulates radioactivity 5 to 100s of times compared to the ocean beneath.  

"The sea-surface microlayer (uppermost 1-1000 microm layer) forms the boundary layer interface between the atmosphere and ocean. Environmental processes are controlled by the SML, and it is known to play a key role in the global distribution of anthropogenic pollutants. Due to its unique chemical composition, the upper organic film of the SML represents both a sink and a source for a range of pollutants including chlorinated hydrocarbons, organotin compounds, petroleum hydrocarbons, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) and heavy metals. These pollutants can be enriched in the SML by up to 500 times relative to concentrations occurring in the underlying bulk water column. The SML is also a unique ecosystem, serving as an important habitat for fish eggs and larvae. Concentration ranges and enrichment factors of pollutants in the SML in different areas of the world's oceans have been critically reviewed, together with available toxicity data for marine biota found within the SML. Overall, the SML is highly contaminated in many urban and industrialized areas of the world, resulting in severe ecotoxicological impacts. Such impacts may lead to drastic effects on the marine food web and to fishery recruitment in coastal waters. Studies of the toxicity of fish eggs and larvae exposed to the SML contaminants have shown that the SML in polluted areas leads to significantly higher rates of mortality and abnormality of fish embryos and larvae."

Of the radionuclides in fallout, it turns out that cesium has a moderate to low bioaccumulation rate.  But it has a respectable accumulation in this thin gelatinous micro layer of the ocean surface.
Enrichment factors for Cs137 radionuclides in the sea surface microlayer were between 4 and 15 in mediterranean waters


But there is more than cesium in the fallout.   As much as 80% of the fallout was in these micro particles which contained nuclear fuel and containment metals.   As I understand it, these high mass heavy metals can augment the toxicity of gamma rays.   The ECRR finds internalized fallout to be hundreds of times, even 1000 times more toxic per dose than assumed by the ICRP dose system.    Its an unfathomable difference in opinions of radiotoxicity


So imagine melt water from snow and glaciers with its pockets of two million becquerels per cubic meter flowing out and floating on top of the salt water, the radiation accumulating in the surface microlayer.   I havent seen a study looking for it, but it must be there.  This first living layer of the ocean is then quite polluted, lets use the 15x enrichment factor found in the Mediterranean,  multiplying what they find in the water column, about 3 to 6 bq/m3,  and you have possibly 60 or more bq/m3.  But its perhaps 600 times more radiotoxic than assumed.   If we compare to the potassium isotope k-40 which does not show radiotoxicity in tests, then the surface layer is untold thousands of times more toxic.  It also has all those other industrial pollutants.  

But thats not the situation at the height of the fallout plume which spread around the world in days.  In the first few days of the fallout plume, there was radioactive iodine at roughly ten times the amount of cesium.  Scientists are quick to say it causes no environmental damage...its all gone...whoosh!   But certainly it had an effect on living systems.



 Tests of I-131 fallout in the U.S. including Alaska ranged from 29.6 to 1,090 pCi/L, with deposition values up to

5,100 Bq/m2.   Thats 37,000 bq/m^3.....a lot more than the 3 becquerels they say are finally arriving.



"Several weeks transpired between sample collection and analysis of the I-131 in the water

samples, which were prioritized for analysis from west (high priority) to east (low priority). Therefore,

I-131 activities likely decayed in most of the samples before they could be measured.

Cs-134 activities were quantified for 23 samples from Alaska, California, Colorado, Illinois,

Minnesota, Missouri, New York, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Washington, and Wyoming. The

Cs-134 ranged from 0.40 to 55 pCi/L, and deposition values ranged from 0.47 to 180 Bq/m2"



So there was a huge amount of radioactive iodine and 4000 bq/m3 of cesiums raining down, no doubt caught up in the marine surface microlayer.   



And now it seems a lot more likely that that super toxic layer, sticking to seals furry faces could cause biological reactions...that the surface plankton could be heavily impacted, causing a chain reaction through the ocean food chain.  



Marine biologists....Im thinking the younger ones that are not so entrenched, they should get realistic, open their minds, think scientifically.   Instead of repeating climate change like happy robots.   The ocean life is in really bad condition...
we are healthy with background radiation but unhealthy with the same dose from fallout
 
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